High beams issue!

sorry I took so long to reply ..the new #2 is the old #4 ..ha ha ..so now If we ground the new #2 to the red/yelllow at the H/L switch everything works .. the fault is possibly the intergration relay... do you think you can find it !! and tell me what wires you can see going to it .. there should be your original red/black coming from the #2 .. if so we could loop around the INT relay direct to the red/yellow wire !! your thouhgt's on this ??

let me know

I know where the integretion relay is and I'll check and let you know what I find

Hey Mike.. OK ..I'm thinking if you can find the red/black that goes into the INT relay and jumper it from the relay side (before INT relay)to the red/yellow on switch (bypass the INT relay) ..the light's should work without a big rewiring jobbie .. let me know ! I have to pop out for an hour ... I will be back ..LOL .. Speak soon

I took the relay out and it had 1 plug with 4 wires in it . The colors of the wires are , red/yellow , red/black , green/red , green.I'm sending a picture. There's also a long white connecter with 10 posts that connects with a wire bundle behind the relay and I couldn' get a look at the back where they go in. There are some #'s on the front of the relay and they are-- 82641-06010 ,

7381-8089

went back and hooked red/yellow on switch to the red/black on the integration relay and the switch worked turning on Hi , Lo beams and flash worked ,and on off , but no tailights and also still no parking lights. Could it be this relay? If so,Can this rely be checked?

I have looked at the wiring diagram for the exterior light's .. the tail lights go through the intergration relay ... a green wire(on my diagram?) from H/L switch to intergration relay then a green/red wire from INT relay to TAIL light RELAY ... the tail light relay also controls front side light's .. so your problem could be this relay ...as for it being checked, I don't know .. I have never come across one of these INT relays before ... and never want to AGAIN ...LOL ... just ot be on the safe side check the fuse's for side and tail light's ??

tail light fuse ok, couldn't find one for side light

where is the tailight relay located?

I'M BAAAAAAACK. OK. we, Dave and I, are going to solve this problem to everyone's satisfaction. BUT!!!!, there are a few conditions.
Mike, and I don't mean to be rude, but you have a habbit of answering a question-with a question, and it just keeps us going around in circles. All I ask of you, is to answer what I ask and through the process of elimination we, together, will pinpoint the problem. If you're OK with this, lets get started.
1- is your battery getting low from all the testing? If yes, start the car and let it idle for a while or put a charger on it.
2- remove any jumpers you have installed.
3- Put all the connector/wires back together as original With the EXCEPTION of the headlight relay, leave that out.
4- With the battery known to be fully charged, check the voltage at HL relay terms. 1 & 3. You should have 12 volts. YES? If no, get back to us right away and we'll have to solve that problem before we can go to #5.
We'll get it, but one step at a time. Please advise.

I'm ok with everthing you say and when I checked 1 & 3 they each had 12 volts
GOOD, now we're moving. I'll stay with this all night if I have to.
5- With your OHM meter, check terms 3 & 4 on the relay for continuity to make sure the coil is good. If they're not numbered on the relay, it's the pins that the little wires for the coil attach. If YES. go to six. If NO, you need another relay.
6- Re-install the relay.
7- Ground term #4 on the relay block. When #4 is grounded, the relay should close and high/low headlights and flash should work. YES?
8-If answer to 7 is yes, remove the ground on #4 relay term and run a wire from relay term #4 on the relay block(the same one you just grounded) to term #13, (red/blk wire) on the headlight switch. With this wire in place, the headlight functions should all work normally. We're just talking headlights here, nothing else. Headlights WORK, YES????
Let us know.

relay good, installed relay grounded #4 no lights.
Mike, are you using the wiring diagram I or Dave sent you??? If we're not on the same page, this isn't going to work.

Can I just interject here !!! I want to make sure you are BOTH using the same terminal #'s .... remember earlier MIKE swapped his terminal numbers around ??? .... Dave H (I'm still here ..LOL)

James I'm sorry I didn't see your reply.I'm using the one Dave & I agreed on. Post #11 fri. mar 13 11:39

Mike .. has the #2 terminal as our #4 and the #4 terminal as the #2 !! Anyway .. mike .. you have 12 volts at #1and #3 ...irrespective of which way round they are numbered !!! mikes #4 is going directly to light bulbs now mikes #2 the red and black wire from mikes #2 needs to be taken out of the INT relay .. and spliced/jumped to the RED/YELLOW ( we don't want the red/black wire going into the INT relay) we want it going straight to the H/L switch RED/YELLOW wire ... and then we need the INT relay wiring connector plugging back into the INT relay to let side light's and tail light's to work again !!! We have already had them working this way !!! just the side light's were not working .. because the INT relay connectors were unplugged from the INT relay !! Am I right or wrong Mike ??

yes right

The only thing is I didn't install the plug back into the integration relay after I jumped the wires ,and I disd have a jumper on 1 & 3.

Forgive the drawing .. this is why I never went to design school and am a greasemonkey ..LOL .. WE want it like this !!

YES you didn't install the plug so the side and tail would not work !!!

The way you drew isn't the way I had it set up I had a jumper between 1 & 3 because when I installed the relay the voltage dropped on #1 to 8 volts. Without the jumper the lights wouldn't work. And I didn't need a ground on #4 because it is already grounded

OK, I went back and did some rereading.
In step 2, I asked you to remove all the jumpers and re-connect all connectors back to original. Now you tell me you still have the int. relay bypassed. WHY?
Also, we're going to go by the numbers on the factory schematic. No jumping #s around.
I'm willing to help you with this, but we're going to do it MY way. If you have a problem with this, let me know. I have a lot of post that need my attention.
Please advise.

James : my head is reeliong trying to keep up with who is e-mailing me . I can follow instructions but just from you .O K . I"m getting confused as to who I'm talking to.Which schematic , Is that the one you faxed me from the begining? Tell me what you want James I'm ready.

The ground on #4 is the cars ground to bulb .. I just put that in because it is already there ...IGNORE it...

Try without the jumper on #1 and #3 with red and black wire NOT going to INT relay but JUST DIRECT to the red/yellow @ switch ...and ALL the other wires plugged into the INT relay ..

And if you NEED to try it WITH the #1 and #3 ... jumpered ??

let us know
Dave

OK Mike. I'm going to step out and let james take care of you .. i will keep looking and see how thing's work out ... See ya later

James: I thimk I'm gonna call it a night it's too dark out to see anything . I'll see you 1st thing in the morning.

OK. I'm all for that. I was at this computer until 4:00 am, and I'm tired too. One thing before I bail out. YES, we will be going by the schematic I sent you.

Hope you got a good nights sleep. I' m ready whenever you are.

OK, we're going to find the problem this afternoon.
First, lets reiterate a bit.
All jumpers ARE removed? YES????

All connections are together and relays are in place, Including the INTG. and the Headlight relays. YES???

The #'s and wire colors we will be using will be from the diagram I faxed you.

Is everything "cool" to this point? YEEEEES?

Some of this may seem redundant, but it will work.
At this point the headlights don't work. we know this.
Now run a jumper wire from "HL relay" term #4( RD/BLK) to "headlight switch" terminal #13(RD/YEL).
Do the headlights, only the headlights, work on low beam? High beam? and flash?

Let me know, I won't go to any other posts until I hear from you.

Yes everything is in place. All's cool.When I ran the jumper nothing came on.

Did you have the HL switch on? If YES, and still nothing. Remove the jumper end from HL switch term #13(RD/YEL) and ground it. Lights come on????

Had H/L switch on. Removed jumper and grounded it and nothing, no lights.

Are you sure you have a good connection where your jumper wire connects to to term #4(RD/BLK) on the HL relay??

If you're (NOT) sure about the connection, with another short jumper, ground term #4(RD/BLK) at the HL relay. Yesterday, you said in doing this, the relay closed and headlights came. Would you check again. IS the relay closing???

connection is good. Grounded at relay with no lights. The reason the relay closed is because I had #1 & #3 jumped together.

OK, we'll go back to why #3 is dead later.
Re-install the jumper between #1 & #3.

Then go back to our first jumper and re-attach it to term #13(RD/YEL) at the headlight switch. Switch ON, do you have lights??? high/low/and flash

Yes I have all lights working when I install the jumper between #1 & #3

OK, Mike, we're getting close.
If you remove the jumper from HL switch term #13(RD/YEL) being sure the factory wire is still connected, do the lights go out???

IF YES, move the jumper you had on HL switch term #13(RD/YEL), to term #3(RD/BLK) on the integration relay. Do the lights come back on?

Removed jumper from #13 and lights went out. Put jumper on red/black and only the flash worked.

James I went back out and checked and actually the flash works without a jumper. I think it's because we installed the jumper on #1.

Edit, Mike, hold off on this until I get back to you

OK, you're doing GOOD, Mike.
If your jumper IS on term #3(RD/BLK of the integration relay, (as per the diagram I sent you) and you only have FLASH. This means there is an "open" in the wire or in the splice between the "DOT" on the diagram and the integration relay term #3. From the DOT (splice) to the HL relay, the circuit is good.

IF the connector at integration relay term #3 or HL Switch term #14 has 2 RD/BLK wires tied together on the same term, this is the first place to look.
IF there is only a single RD/BLK wire at INT RELAY term #3, and HL switch term 14, there has to be a splice somewhere in the harness connecting the RD/BLK wires from these two terminals. It may even be at term #4 on the socket for the HL relay.
Let me know what you find.
Sorry this is taking so long but, I'm being very careful how I word this as to avoid confusion.

Mike, you must be a mind reader. That's "EXACTLY" what I needed to know.
Go ahead and check out what's in my previous post and let me know. If you can't find an "open" we'll go to plan "B".

I checked under the Junction box with the H/L relay and could only see 1 wire going to the inside relay. And there is only 1 red/black going to the H/L switch. The wire bundle goes under the wheelwell and I'm unable to see if there is a splice there. Don't know if this will help but I checked the voltage on the red/yellow #13 and red/black going to the integration relay and they were both 12 volts.