engine noise

Hi blustrat6, Welcome to 2carpros and TY for the donation

When was your last oil change and filter? could also be a leakdown problem with the lifters

Engine - Noise/Damage Oil Filter Application Importance
Notes

TBS's INFORMATION

Bulletin No.: 07-06-01-016B

Date: July 27, 2009

Subject: Information on Internal Engine Noise or Damage After Oil Filter Replacement

Models:
2010 and Prior Passenger Cars and Trucks (Including Saturn)
2010 and Prior HUMMER H2, H3
2009 and Prior Saab 9-7X

Supercede:
This bulletin is being updated to add model years. Please discard Corporate Bulletin Number 07-06-01-016A (Section 06 - Engine/Propulsion System).

Important
Engine damage that is the result of an incorrect or improperly installed engine oil filter is not a warrantable claim. The best way to avoid oil filter quality concerns is to purchase ACDelco(R) oil filters directly from GMSPO.

Oil filter misapplication may cause abnormal engine noise or internal damage. Always utilize the most recent parts information to ensure the correct part number filter is installed when replacing oil filters. Do not rely on physical dimensions alone. Counterfeit copies of name brand parts have been discovered in some aftermarket parts systems. Always ensure the parts you install are from a trusted source. Improper oil filter installation may result in catastrophic engine damage.

Refer to the appropriate Service Information (SI) installation instructions when replacing any oil filter and pay particular attention to procedures for proper cartridge filter element alignment. If the diagnostics in SI (Engine Mechanical) lead to the oil filter as the cause of the internal engine noise or damage, dealers should submit a field product report. Refer to Corporate Bulletin Number 02-00-89-002I (Information for Dealers on How to Submit a Field Product Report).

[quote:94557a0115="rasmataz"]Hi blustrat6, Welcome to 2carpros and TY for the donation

When was your last oil change and filter? could also be a leakdown problem with the lifters

Engine - Noise/Damage Oil Filter Application Importance
Notes

TBS's INFORMATION

Bulletin No.: 07-06-01-016B

Date: July 27, 2009

Subject: Information on Internal Engine Noise or Damage After Oil Filter Replacement

Models:
2010 and Prior Passenger Cars and Trucks (Including Saturn)
2010 and Prior HUMMER H2, H3
2009 and Prior Saab 9-7X

Supercede:
This bulletin is being updated to add model years. Please discard Corporate Bulletin Number 07-06-01-016A (Section 06 - Engine/Propulsion System).

Important
Engine damage that is the result of an incorrect or improperly installed engine oil filter is not a warrantable claim. The best way to avoid oil filter quality concerns is to purchase ACDelco(R) oil filters directly from GMSPO.

Oil filter misapplication may cause abnormal engine noise or internal damage. Always utilize the most recent parts information to ensure the correct part number filter is installed when replacing oil filters. Do not rely on physical dimensions alone. Counterfeit copies of name brand parts have been discovered in some aftermarket parts systems. Always ensure the parts you install are from a trusted source. Improper oil filter installation may result in catastrophic engine damage.

Refer to the appropriate Service Information (SI) installation instructions when replacing any oil filter and pay particular attention to procedures for proper cartridge filter element alignment. If the diagnostics in SI (Engine Mechanical) lead to the oil filter as the cause of the internal engine noise or damage, dealers should submit a field product report. Refer to Corporate Bulletin Number 02-00-89-002I (Information for Dealers on How to Submit a Field Product Report).[/quote:94557a0115] Sir I installed a new MG filter but the noise is still there. Will the lifters eventually pump back or is the damage to top end permenant..I only ran engine for a few minutes. is there any chance for this 2.2?

[quote:a74c20bf06="rasmataz"]Hi blustrat6, Welcome to 2carpros and TY for the donation

When was your last oil change and filter? could also be a leakdown problem with the lifters

Engine - Noise/Damage Oil Filter Application Importance
Notes

TBS's INFORMATION

Bulletin No.: 07-06-01-016B

Date: July 27, 2009

Subject: Information on Internal Engine Noise or Damage After Oil Filter Replacement

Models:
2010 and Prior Passenger Cars and Trucks (Including Saturn)
2010 and Prior HUMMER H2, H3
2009 and Prior Saab 9-7X

Supercede:
This bulletin is being updated to add model years. Please discard Corporate Bulletin Number 07-06-01-016A (Section 06 - Engine/Propulsion System).

Important
Engine damage that is the result of an incorrect or improperly installed engine oil filter is not a warrantable claim. The best way to avoid oil filter quality concerns is to purchase ACDelco(R) oil filters directly from GMSPO.

Oil filter misapplication may cause abnormal engine noise or internal damage. Always utilize the most recent parts information to ensure the correct part number filter is installed when replacing oil filters. Do not rely on physical dimensions alone. Counterfeit copies of name brand parts have been discovered in some aftermarket parts systems. Always ensure the parts you install are from a trusted source. Improper oil filter installation may result in catastrophic engine damage.

Refer to the appropriate Service Information (SI) installation instructions when replacing any oil filter and pay particular attention to procedures for proper cartridge filter element alignment. If the diagnostics in SI (Engine Mechanical) lead to the oil filter as the cause of the internal engine noise or damage, dealers should submit a field product report. Refer to Corporate Bulletin Number 02-00-89-002I (Information for Dealers on How to Submit a Field Product Report).[/quote:a74c20bf06] Sir I installed a new GM filter but the noise is still there. Will the lifters eventually pump back or is the damage to top end permenant..I only ran engine for a few minutes. Have you experienced any sucess after new filter, is there any chance for this 2.2?

Did you soak the lifters before installation and use lube grease on the lifter face-Permanent damage -Its hard to say the camshaft plays a role with the lifters they work together just in the case of the cap and rotor.

Verify the oil pressure with a mechanical gauge to rule out a weak oil pump or a sticking open oil pressure relief valve

Where exactly is the noise coming from is it right on top the head/manifold or within the front cover of the engine-?? Let me know asap

I have a 2006 Saturn Vue. I recently got an oil change and my car seems to be running harder and louder when I drive. The problem begins when driving between 30mph - 35mph and then gets louder from there. What can the problem be?

Have you checked the oil level?

Check the oil pressure with a mechanical gauge if its within specs-start here

I would check the oil level first especially after just getting a oil change.Low oil level will effect pressure and not enough oil will make the engine louder.

Hi I have a 2004 Saturn Vue. Starting hearing this noise from engine area like a whooping sound. Sounds like a sewing machine sound. Its making this sound when you would take off from a dead stop and when you get close to slowing down. It gets faster or slower with the engine rpms. It does get louder right before you slow down and when its going faster you dont hear it hardly since its going faster. One thing i did notice is when idling in driveway in park and neutral you hear it slighty but in drive and reverse you do not hear the noise. I cannot pinpoint it at this time.

Thanks for your help! Dan

check to make sure the serp belt isn't coming apart and have a piece of belt whiping around and hitting something.

No the belt is fine.

have any other suggestions?

Just to add to this one do you have a 4cyl vue if so is it a automatic?If thats the case then its probably the belt in the transmission making noise very common on those vues.I have repalced a lot of transmission side covers for that noise.Will make that noise in park and when you put it in drive and take off will sound like a sewing machine.

My 2003 VTi trans was rebuilt because the car would not move forward in Drive after being in Park or Reverse without waiting for quite a few seconds and making engine noise without going anywhere at first. Then finally it wouldn't go at all in Drive, woiuld move in Reverse. Two days after I got my repaired car back, it would not go in Drive without a delay, again. What else could it be?

[quote:a2b559eb3f="bakerlake"]Transmission problem
2003 Saturn Vue 4 cyl All Wheel Drive Automatic 89000 miles

My 2003 VTi trans was rebuilt because the car would not move forward in Drive after being in Park or Reverse without waiting for quite a few seconds and making engine noise without going anywhere at first. Then finally it wouldn't go at all in Drive, woiuld move in Reverse. Two days after I got my repaired car back, it would not go in Drive without a delay, again. What else could it be?[/quote:a2b559eb3f]
probably a bad pump or valve body most likely the valve body have them do a pressure test on it that will tell them if its a pressure problem they probably never checked the pressure.they probably just put a side cover in the transmission.let me know what they find.

Hi yes its a 4 cyl and automatic.I jacked it up on one side and put it in drive then got under vehicle and heard that noise in that area thinking it might be the cv joint.When u say transmission side cover is this acessable without taking transmission apart? What am i looking at as far as price and labor since i will be taking it in for inspection tmro.

Thanks 4 your help!

Thanks, Louie
I will do that! I don't have any points to give evidently or I would. Anyway, thanks, I apprecate the help.
JK :)

Its called the side cover it has the input shaft output shaft the drive belt etc.You have to drop the sub frame exhaust remove the transmission remove the transmission valve body torque all the bolts and remove the side cover.But before you do all that you have to have a complete pressure test done to make sure you dont have a pressure issue that caused the noisey side cover.I have seen some bad valve bodys and pumps on those transmissions.Its very expensive to do thousands of dollars.Just the side cover is several thousand plus labor.How many miles do you haveon your vue?

I have 119.000 miles on it.

Then your out of luck there saturn was going up to 100,000 miles or so many years if there was a problem with the transmission they were helping out with the repairs.You can try contacting gm customer care center and see what they say its worth a try.But a 100,000 miles is industry standard for the life of a car these days.So the noise is coming from the transmission?

well i hope u are wrong with where noise is coming from but will keep u posted and thanks 4 your help! I bought the car used 10 day ago.

If you can hear it when taking off from a stop then most likely thats what it is.I have repaired a lot of those transmission for that very reason and i mean a lot.I have also repaired a lot of them for broken drive belts.I remember going to training on those before they came out for sale to public and test driving them and i said what a piece of junk this is going to be.I was totally right that transmission is a real piece of junk.Thats why they stop using them and had a class action lawsuit over that transmission.Keep me posted.

Well i will call gm and see what they say and what type of transmission is being used on them when replaced due 2 lawsuit??

Its the cvt transmission google it so you have all the info you need.Keep me posted.

So i went and called Saturn as you said and told them whats going on. So i got a same day appt 2 a dealership arranged by Saturn and close by in my area and took it in and said they would do a diagnostics check on the transmission. It cost 109.00 2 do it so i said go ahead and they kept the vehicle and would call me with results and send in their findings 2 Saturn HQ and within 48 hours would call me to see if what they would cover. The guy at the dealership feels they will work with me that being G.M. to cover half the cost but will not take that offer,because i have a reliable great mechanic who used to work 4 ford and Chevy and works out of his garage and in the past has saved me cash. He checked the car out by taking starter off and checking flywheel for any screws or bolts that hold it down thinking maybe something loostened up and was rubbing but no luck. He will fix it for the fraction of the cost. To him it sounds like a rubbing sound.If it is the belt do they now have a upgrade 4 that notorious cvt? More 2 come.

To my knowledge they have no upgrade just make sure that gm checks the pressures because it takes a special high pressure transmission gauge not a common tool and pretty much used on those transmission.It also takes a tech2 scan tool to comand the line pressure solenoid to the correct amps to read the pressures.That scan tool is very expensive and you would also have to have the correct software as well.Bare min you would need to fix it is a couple of gallons and few quarts of the cvt fluid and fluid additive also the special silcone to reseal the transmission case which is expensive and a side cover assembly.Just make sure the pressure is good because if its not you will ruin the new side cover.I would see what half of the repair is verus the guy in the garage keep your options open.Keep me posted though.

Hi, well the trans was not covered by saturn since its over 100,000 my friend took it 2 his buddy that has a shop and looked at the transmission and when opened it up there was nothing wrong that they could see. only thing they saw was that the belt had play in it and did not see any marks where it was rubbing anywhere. So i re read the answer you wrote as far as you wrote a couple of gallons of what needed? My friend said fluid is expensive. Can u tell me how much amount of what will be needed so i can have an idea if its expensive as he says it is? Thanks Dan

You cant see the noise when you take it apart i have had a lot of those transmissions make noise and couldnt see any damge or anything that looked bad.I replaced the side cover though and the noise was gone.Before you take one apart you always check the pressures like i told you in a earlier post.If you dont check the pressures and you have a pressure issue and just replace the side cover it wont take long for the new side cover to be damaged.If the noise was coming from the transmission its the side cover i know these transmission well.Iam factory trained on them and have repaired so many i have lost count.It takes a special silicone to seal up the side cover which is expensive.The fluid is also expensive It takes 2 one gallon **** plus two quart bottles plus the additive to fill it after tear down.

Yes i know you have greatest knowledge first hand and they will check it all out and they are replacing the filter and belt. My friend is just took the trans out and will put it back in. He took it 2 his friend that has a trans shop and familar with the cvt.

First of all you cant check the pressures with it all taken apart and you need a special gauge and tech 2 scan tool with the proper software to check the pressures.Second you cant just replace the belt that is not the correct repair if the belt goes bad it went bad for a reason and damages the pulleys which you cant always see the damage to the pulleys.Saturns repair is replacing the whole side cover.I just dont want to see you waste your money on a repair that isnt going to work.You say the guy working on the transmission knows these transmissions and how to repair them so far doesnt sound like it from what you have told me.Iam just looking out for your best intrest and giving you my honest expert advice on repairing it.

Also as part of the repair you have to flush the transmission cooler and replace the transmission cooler lines.

Hi,well had the transmission taken apart on the 2004 saturn vue and changed belt/filter and told them about the side cover needing replacement.Like u said there was zero evidence of any wear.They said it was fine. so i got the car back was fine with no noise and then came back after a couple weeks. well 2 top that now the car does not engage in drive and have 2 give it gas 2 get it going and is fine after that but not driving the car. It might be a sensor thats inside of the trans.Well got money back from trans guy and told them i dont want them 2 touch it. well got a car that cant afford 2 fix right now. My dad said 2 get rid of it as is but i will lose lots of cash 4 what i paid 4. Now it needs 2 be torn down again 4 sure.

Tried 2 donate thru paypal but says site does not exist. i will try later.

I take it they never did a pressure test on the transmission?I have rebuilt and repaired so many of those transmissions and iam factory trained on them so i know them really well.I will talk to mike about your troubles donating and he can help you with that.If the transmission has low pressure and thats what caused the problem then you can repair the result of the problem and it may work for a little while untill the low pressure causes the problem again.I have seen that happen first hand.

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made donation and i appreciate all your help. wish i can get this thing fixed right. really expensive.

Your welcome there are expensive if there is anything else i can help you with please feel free to ask.Also thanks so much for the donation.

Hi this is Dan. well good news i called Montebello Chevolet last week to find out what it would cost to put in new tramsmission. I talked to this guy in service dept by the name of Craig Rodgers who remembered my vehicle when i had it in the first time to diagnoise the noise in tranny. he said he had good news that he can most likely help me with the cost of a new tranny. he got back to me the next day and said the would cover half the cost which he said the most it would be is 2500.00 for me but can be as low as 2000.00. He said he would everything he could to keep the cost down. So i took it in last Friday and should be ready tmro or friday. On top of that i get a 3 year/100,000 mile warranty! Which is awesome. They deal with saturn owners with these problems and want customers to be happy so they will come back and buy another car. well i do have question,have a 1970 ford maverick which i have been driving since im short on cars and wife drives my cavalier. i got new battery since i got stuck yesterday cause it had dead cell and 4 years old. I know my car is old but when i turn the lights on my turn signal is slower when they are on and instrument panel is not light up to bright either at night. when the lights are off the signal is faster or normal as they should. the dome light is bright as are the headlights cause yesterday the light were dim cause of the battery being bad. Thanks for your help!

Glad to hear you got some help with that transmission issue have you had the alternator tested on that that maverick yet?

well last night i drove it and when i got home i parked it and when i started it up again later just heard the click from the starter relay and i hooked up the battery charger 2 see if it was down but i had it hooked up 4 a minute an did show had lost some charge but it turned over no problem as it did today. The only thing not changed on car was the alternator and starter. have not checked the alternator. did not see alternator light on. how you go about checking it and what do u use 2 check it. Thanks!