Timing belt replacement?

1998 MITSUBISHI ECLIPSE
11,635 MILES • 4 CYL • FWD • AUTOMATIC
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CHUCHA01
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Hello Experts,
I have a non-turbo, 2.0 additional info.
Sometimes when i'm at a red-light my car bounces.. Like a hotrod would. It's pretty cool, but i know it's not right. hehee. Sometimes it wants to jump,(like,into the car in front of me) and sometimes it seems like it's going to just stop (breakdown). I'm assuming it's the timing belt? I have a friend of a friend who can "change the belt" for $250. I have a friend who can do it for $500/600. He says I need the kit and will need to be adjusted. The $250 dude didnt' mention anything about a 'kit' or adjusting the belt. He ($250 guy) once changed some other belt and it snapped, so he put a new belt on. Then that squeaked everytime i turned the wheels. 6 months later I discovered that belt needed to be adjusted. Those belts he changed when he was installing a new water pump.
Second question: Since then, after driving 6-10+ miles with the air-conditioner on..my steering becomes rickety..like a grinding noise around the front wheels..no squeaking. It sounds like my front axle is going to break. Now, I also do NOT have any boots on my Tie Rods ..how important is it to have those on? And could that be the cause. I'm thinking air-conditioner compressor.
I love my car. And I'm proud of my car. And I plan on keeping it forever, even if I have to get an engine overhaul. Which I will someday eventually..when I win the lotto. I'm torn because the $500/600 guy will break me and of course the $250 guy will leave me some left-over money. But, i'm leaning to the $500/600 guy because I want the job to be done right.
Thank you for your time,
Susan Moreno....picture attached
Sep 11, 2010 at 10:28 PM
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Hi Susan,

Thank you for the donation.

You must be a jovial and humourous person but I do not see any attached picture.

If the Check Engine Light is indicating, get a free scan done at Autozone and let me know the EXACT trouble code.

Your description of the problem is not clear so I am guessing the problem and you have to correct me if I am wrong.

Do you mean the engine is surging, ie. the rpm would go up and down while idling?

I do not think the problem is caused by the timing belt but if the timing belt had not been replaced before, the mileage of the vehicle indicates it is due for replacement.

Replacement of the timing belt is not a very difficult job but it requires a trained person. Any mistake on the job can be costly as failure of the timing belt can cause a lot of damage to the engine because it is an interference engine. Unless the guy knows what he is doing, if not, stay clear from him.

The rickety steering is most likely due to the drive belt improperly adjusted, it is slipping when the A/C is turned on. It could also be due to the A/C compressor, it is running rough either due to a bad compressor or its bearing.

The tie rod dust covers are to prevent external contminations to the ball joints and keep lubricants in. Any damage to the dust covers would cause the tie-rod ends to fail prematurely.
Sep 15, 2010 at 10:51 AM
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CHUCHA01
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Hi there,
Hmmm, I clicked 'upload' ..I had a picture chosen. Don't understand why you didn't get it. Oh well.
Thank you for your response. I really appreciate all your input. It's very informative and correct.
I went to the more knowledgeable guy instead of the one who doesn't know much. In fact he's the reason i'm back in the shop. I purchased a timing belt, + kit, water pump and coil pack.($250) and left my car at my friends shop. They diagnosed it and it read ...'misfire'...at autozone it read...'timing belt'
That's all I can say.
Thank you guys..I really depend on your answers. You all are really some..(as my daughter would say) "Smarticle Particles"...hahahaha

Susan Moreno
Sep 16, 2010 at 6:17 AM
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The timing belt would never show on a scanner. The misfiring could be due to bad spark plugs or related components. It could also be due to differences in or low engine compression.

Hope you do not have overheating or coolant losses issues.

After choosing the picture and clicking upload, you need to click "standard" and note if your post has some sort of "img" etc etc links.
Sep 16, 2010 at 6:23 AM
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CHUCHA01
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Hi guys,

Ok. I had my timing belt changed along with the coil pack and water pump and thermostat, because after they fixed it (timingbelt), the car started running hot. (my husband put the previous thermostat in wrong) The thermostate change fixed that. Total cost to me was $575.00. The car is running great.
50 miles later, the car started doing it again. Runs great when i'm driving down the road, but as soon as I stop at a red light (still in Drive) the car shakes worse and I noticed the RPM jumped up a little then back down. I immediatley put it in Neutral and it stops shaking. The light changes.. put it back in Drive and go..runs fabulous..come to another red light. Same crap happens..i put it in neutral and so on. I make it home. God, i'm losing my mind. Please don't say I need a new engine.
Thank you in advance for your quick response.

Susan
Sep 22, 2010 at 7:08 AM
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Unless you are still having overheating and coolant losses issues, otherwise it should not be a major problem requiring you to replace the engine.

Problem seems to be the idling speed and I would suggest getting the throttle body and Idle Solenoid Control (ISC, other commonly known as Idle Air Control ) valve cleaned and retest.
Sep 22, 2010 at 9:31 AM
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I would like to know how to remove the Left (passengers side) engine support bracket so that I can remove the timing belt cover to replace the timimg belt. I removed the left engine support, then proceeded to remove the support bracket which is covering the timimg belt cover. There are 4 long bolts approximately 4 inches long that go through this support bracket and through the timimg cover finally settling into the engine block. When I went to remove these bolts the problem started here. The 4 bolts are so long that they backed out right up against the firewall. I was able to remove only one bolt. It's really strange because theres still about an inch and a half of bolt that needs to be backed out (thats alot) but your up against the firewall and no room to back the rest of the bolt out. I tried jacking the engine up with a block of wood under the oil pan to see if I could raise the engine enough to clear the firewall. No luck there, it only raises so far but it would still have to be jacked another 3 inches (thats alot) to clear the firewall. HOW IN THE WORLD DO I GET THESE BOLTS OUT??? WHAT AM I MISSING??
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Hello - To better assist you please let me know if your model is a GS, GS-T, GSX AWD, RS, Spyder GS, or Spyder GS-t. Also your engine size in liter. I have attached a pic so you can point out the bolts you are talking about from one of the models. Are you talking about the one I circled in red?


https://www.2carpros.com/forum/automotive_pictures/248015_1_111.jpg

May 26, 2020 at 8:30 PM (Merged)
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The engine size for the 1998 standard eclipse model GS is a 2.0 litre. The bolts you circled on your diagram are not the bolts I'm referring to. The bolts that I am referring to are the bolts that hold the left "engine support" bracket. This bracket is connected through the front of the "timing cover" and the bolts bottom out in the engine block. I cannot get the bolts out of this engine support bracket to remove it so that I can get the timing cover off.

Thanks for your response to my question, still need an answer. The Haynes manual does not tell how to remove these bolts. I just says remove them. It would be nice to remove them if there was "enough room"!!
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Someone I understand your frustration. It also looks like you and I are not on the same page. Review of the procedures as attached, doesn't show there is a problem. Obviously, you are having one and it is a frustrating one. So, lets make sure you and I are talking about the same bracket. In the information I am reviewing, my first pic, item #4 is the engine mount bracket that needs to be removed based off the procedures. One of the bolts is what I have circled.


https://www.2carpros.com/forum/automotive_pictures/248015_1_114.jpg

Now based off of the pic, which one, bracket are you taking about? Copy it, circle it or mark it somehow so I know what you are looking at. I have also attached several other pics of mounts etc I have also attached the first few parts of the removal in my manual. Let me know what you see/are looking at and maybe I can better help.


https://www.2carpros.com/forum/automotive_pictures/248015_Engine_Mounts_1_1.jpg


https://www.2carpros.com/forum/automotive_pictures/248015_Engine_Mounts_2_1.jpg


https://www.2carpros.com/forum/automotive_pictures/248015_Engine_Mounts_3_1.jpg

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Forgot the to attach the first part of the removal.

REMOVAL
Pre-removal Operation:


Crankshaft Pulley Removal.
Follow removal steps outlined in illustration.

Removal Service Points
Power Steering Oil Pump Disconnection.
Remove the power steering oil pump from the bracket with the hose attached.

NOTE: Place the removed power steering oil pump in a place where it will not be a hindrance when removing and installing the timing belt, and tie it with a cord.

Engine Mount Bracket Assembly Removal.
Place a garage jack against the engine oil pan with a piece of wood in between, jack up the engine so that the weight of the engine is no longer being applied to the engine mount bracket, and then remove the engine mount bracket.

The bracket they are talking about is number 4
May 26, 2020 at 8:30 PM (Merged)
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SOMEONE
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So sorry, my mistake. You and I are now on the same sheet of music. You were right with your first response and the diagram you circled to # 4 the engine support bracket. That is the bracket I'm talking about. I just did'nt realize by the picture that the engine support is the little piece sitting inside the bracket on the diagram. That bracket has some extremely long bolts that when backed out go up against the firewall. I can see your manual that you inserted says the same thing my haynes manual says. "Jack up the engine with a piece of wood under the oil pan and remove the bracket". I got to that point and backed out the bolts up against the fire wall, and theres still about an inch of bolt yet to back out, but no room to back them out. I did get one bolt out but the other 2 or 3 bolts (I think theres 4 bolts) have no room to back out when your up against the firewall. I've never seen anything like this before. Like I said, I tried raising the engine on the jack after I removed the engine support. (I got the engine support off just fine.) Now the bracket, I tried raising the engine to clear the firewall to get the rest of the bolt out of the bracket. No luck there, you can only raise the engine so far and it's nowhere near enough to clear the firewall to get the bolts out. I appreciate all your help. Maybe I'm not raising the engine far enough, but I cannot believe that. I raised it to the point I felt resistance, any furthur would surely break something.
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Hello –

Okay………..lets take a deep breath, stand back, and take a sip of coke and relook.

Is it necessary to totally remove them……by that can they all loosen and you pull the bracket out with the bolts still in the bracket? All they have to do is come out of the cover…..right?

Now when you say “firewall” is it that or the fender well?

Okay……..sorry gotta ask a dumb question because I can’t tell from the pic…..is #4 on the upper or lower part?

Thanks for keeping me posted.
May 26, 2020 at 8:30 PM (Merged)
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I have a 1998 mitsubishi eclipse i was about to take off when suddenly the car just turned off. I checked the engine and found out that the timing belt had broken off. Is it fixeble? About how much does it cost to get it fix? Also i have another engine that is the same as the one on the eclipse the only thing wrong with it are the heads. Can i take parts off that engine and put them on the engine in which the timing belt broke off?
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I'm in a similar boat my friend. So, you're sure you weren'y actually in any real motion when it snapped? There is a good chance you didn't do much damage in which case all you have to do is replace the timing belt. It's not cheap, but it's less expensive then replacing the pistons, valves, head, and all that other junk that can get damaged when the belt snaps. You see, our little mitsu's are whats called "interferance" type engines so when your belt snaps chances are you totaled your car. (meaning the repair cost is more then the current market value of your car) Hopefully since you weren't going fast (or not moving at all) nothing else was damaged. The average price in my area for just the belt is anywhere from $300-$750. Don't let them try and replace a bunch of other crap if you go in. They'll try and push a water pump on you and probably ask if you want them to "remove your head and check your pistons." Can you say expensive waste of time? Anyway, I would replace the belt ond hope it works. I'm concidering doing the same thing, but i'm more likely to have caused catostrophic damage since I was going about 90 then drifted god knows how far. Anyway, good luck. Hope I was helpful.
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Engine Performance problem 4 cyl Front Wheel Drive Automatic 177000 miles

I changed my timing belt in my 97 eclipse its a DOHC 2.0L The problem Im having is the timing is off now and I do not know how to get it back in time I have lined up the timing marks again and again and still have had no luck in getting them to stay into place someone told me to put it in time by using the valves but Im not sure how to do it. Please if anyone can help me! I need to know step by step how to do this right.
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Hello,


Here is a complete page of diagrams for your car.

https://www.2carpros.com/diagrams/mitsubishi/eclipse/1998

Please let us know if you need anything else to get the problem fixed.

Cheers, Ken
May 26, 2020 at 8:30 PM (Merged)
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ALLEN707
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I recently replaced my cylinder head because my timing belt slipped off bending the valves.. i got everything back on started the car up and it immediately idles up to 5 goes down to 3000 rpm's and stays there. This is in neutral and 1st gear w/ the clutch depressed. Did not replace all the bolts back into the intake manifold or header manifold.. about 2 in the intake an 3 on the exhaust header... dnt really see how tht could affect the idle like that though
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HUGE vacuum and compression leaks. They give you a certain number of bolts, a specific torque setting, and specific torque pattern.
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I torqued the head down the rite way to 25lbs then to 50lbs and also in the correct sequence.
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But you left bolts out. According to your original post. Missing bolts cause vacuum and exhaust leaks. These types of leaks cause extreme power loss and rough idling. Exhaust leaks can cause burned exhaust valves. Which means pulling the heads and at least replacing the valves, if not the whole head.
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No i didnt put all the header bolts in and the intake manifold the, the head is bolted down to spec but the exhaust header an intake mani arent all bolted
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Here, I copy/pasted what you just typed:
"No i didnt put all the header bolts in and the intake manifold the, the head is bolted down to spec but the exhaust header an intake mani arent all bolted "
"intake mani arent all bolted" means you left bolts out.
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Yea from the headers not the actual cylinder head... the Head of the entire engine has 8 bolts tht need to be torqued and i did those... will 2 bolts from the headers make it idle/rev like that?
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It could. But you also said you didn't install and torque all of the intake bolts.
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how do i replace timing belt on a 1994 mitsubishi eclips
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Replacing the belt is an involved process. IF you only need timing mark information, refer to the DIY section on our homepage. If you need detailed instructions from start to finish, I recommend getting a good repair manual. For me to try to explaine it via the Internet allows too much room for error.
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We have replaced what we were told was broke and it still won't start and both were put in by certified mechanics
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Are you getting spark and fuel to the engine? Is the timing correct?
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Yes the timing is correct and there is spark. Also we had the computer replaced.
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You say you replaced the timing belt, why? was it due for replacement or did it fail? if it failed this is an interferance engine an you will have valve damage, have they done a comp test after fitting the belt if it failed?
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It didn't fail it just slipped so we actually didn't need to change it however we allwady had the part so we had them put it on anyway.
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If you have spark, fuel, compression, and the timing is correct, it has to run. Unless, like mhpautos suggested, you bent some valves when it slipped and you lost compression.
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Have the compression tested to see if they are within specs.

Since there are sparks, check the fuel pressure and injector pulsing.

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How to remove the timing belt cover?
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I made a mistake it actually doesn't have a spark. We replaced the distributor and the engine will rotate but it doesn't generate any spark.
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Hello,

You should disconnect the battery and then raise the car up to do the job.

https://www.2carpros.com/articles/jack-up-and-lift-your-car-safely

Then you will need to remove the harmonic balancer.

https://www.2carpros.com/articles/how-a-harmonic-balancer-works

Here is a diagram for the rest (below)

Please let us know what happens.

Cheers, Ken
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Lets get it together here earlier you said you got sparky-Do below

No snapping blue spark continue to troubleshoot the ignition system-power input to the coil/coil packs,coil's resistances,distributor pick-up coil, ignition control module, cam and crank sensors and computer Note: If it doesn't apply disregard it.
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Ensure you have battery voltage at the ignition coil. If the distributor is a used or reman unit, get another to test.
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I have a 94 eclipse 90k miles, car kept on running hot so took it to the repair shop. they told me it was the water pump and they recommend I change the timing belt so I did. Car was running great for one month, I used it one day and parked it without a problem, next morning it would not start. Had it towed back to the shop and now they are telling me the car is getting no compression and the valves are bent and it will be another $1200.00 to fix. can that happen overnight after having no problem with car the night before ? or are they covering for the mistake they made installing the timing belt a month prior, Thank you.
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If its a 2.0L engine its an interference engine to happen overnite I don't think so-You will find out in a flash if there's a problem before you parked it. Get 2nd opinion
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