Engine turns over, no spark

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Six cylinder two wheel drive manual.

I have the SLT model with the 3.9 v6 magnum engine. I bought the truck off a guy who could not get the thing to start. We are getting no spark and I have replaced the spark plugs, plug wires, distributor cap and rotor, ignition coil, and I had the ECU rebuilt, and still no spark.
What is the next thing to look at? Have I skipped an important step? I am pretty well out of ideas, so I am pretty much just checking all my fuses, but so far, they are all still intact. Is there a switch I should check or any fuses/fusible links that are not in the fuse box?
Aug 15, 2010 at 3:16 PM
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Tyguy75. Welcome to the forum. Yes, you missed the most important step. Did you check for fuel pressure? If it is also missing, you have a problem that the two systems have in common.

Start by measuring the voltage on either of the two small terminals on the back of the alternator. You should see full battery voltage on one of them for one second after turning the ignition switch to "run", and again during engine cranking. If it is there for the first second but not during cranking, the automatic shutdown relay is not turning on due to missing pulses from the crankshaft position sensor or camshaft position sensor. The ASD relay also sends power to the fuel pump, alternator field, injectors, coil(s), and oxygen sensor heaters.

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Aug 15, 2010 at 3:31 PM
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Greatly appreciated response Caradiodoc. So what is the correct way to test for fuel pressure? If the problem turns out to be exactly what you have described, what is the correct fix? Do I need a new ASD relay or a new crankshaft position sensor?
Sorry to sound so nooby about this. I am seventeen and constantly working on some project car or another, mostly playing out of Haynes manuals and the internet. I am hoping to start my mechanic apprenticeship next year, but at this point I am still getting comfortable with anything beyond oil changes and spark plugs.
Aug 15, 2010 at 10:35 PM
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Nice to hear about your goals. I taught Engine Rebuilding, Electrical, Brakes, and Suspension and Alignment for nine years and have a lot of notes pages that I produced. Holler if you have other questions or would like copies.

The place to start with this vehicle is the system operation. Manufacturer's service manuals include these sections. They do a much better job than the aftermarket manuals.

When you turn on the ignition switch, the engine computer turns on the automatic shutdown (ASD) relay for one second. That is to insure fuel pressure is up and ready for starting in case the pressure dropped off overnight. You should be able to hear the pump run for that one-second burp. What is more important is what happens next. During engine rotation, cranking or running, pulses of voltage are generated by the camshaft position sensor and the crankshaft position sensor. When the engine computer sees those pulses, it turns the ASD relay on again. Voltage from the relay goes to the fuel pump, alternator field, ignition coil, injectors, and oxygen sensor heaters.

In the case of a crash that ruptures a fuel line, fuel will not spray from the injectors when there is no pressure so the engine stalls. When the engine stalls, there are no pulses from the cam and crank sensors so the computer turns the ASD relay off and that turns off the fuel pump to prevent dumping raw fuel onto the ground. The system is designed to prevent fires and is very effective and reliable.

There are really three circuits. The ignition coil circuit is the one you have been working in. The fuel pump is the second circuit. Both of them give very little trouble. The third circuit consists of those two sensors and causes the most trouble.

One advantage you have is Chrysler has a very user-friendly way of asking the engine computer to tell you what is wrong. Cycle the ignition switch from "off" to "run" to "off" to "run" to "off" to "run" three times within five seconds without cranking the engine. If the engine does crank, even for an instant, turn the switch off, wait a few seconds, then start over. After the third cycle, watch the check engine light. It will be on for a few seconds as a bulb check, then will go off, and after a few more seconds will start to flash out a series of two-digit fault codes. Most vehicles will start with code 12; that is one flash, a short pause, two flashes, then a longer pause before the next code starts. Code 12 just means the ignition switch was turned off recently. Write down the rest of the codes. The last one will be code 55 which just means "end of message". If you think you miscounted, cycle the ignition switch off and back on once and the sequence should repeat. On a few vehicles you will have to cycle the switch three times to view the codes again.

During the 1980's and 1990's Chrysler was very consistent with their codes. You can use almost any service manual for any Chrysler vehicle to find a description for each one. Let me know what you come up with for code numbers and I will look up the descriptions. If we are lucky, one will have to do with one of the two sensors I mentioned.

The camshaft position sensor is in the distributor. The crankshaft position sensor is on the passenger side rear of the engine. I believe it actually sits in the transmission housing. It is a magnetic sensor that reads gaps in a metal ring attached to the flex plate to determine which cylinder is on top dead center. I never replaced a crank sensor on a truck, but on the front-wheel-drive vehicles, the air gap of the sensor is critical. A new sensor from Chrysler's supplier will have a thin cardboard spacer glued on the end to set the gap. Push the new sensor all the way in and tighten the bolt. That spacer will slide off when the engine is started. Some aftermarket sensors have a plastic rib molded onto the end to set the gap. It will partially wear away during engine operation. If that style sensor is removed, the rib must be cut off and a new paper spacer stuck on to reset the gap. The dealer's parts department has the spacers. Again, I do not know if that applies to the trucks, but on the fwd vehicles, if you push the sensor all the way in without a spacer, it will be broken the first time the engine is cranked.

The single most important test is to determine if the ASD relay is being turned on during cranking. You most likely will not be able to hear the fuel pump running so the easiest way is to use an inexpensive digital voltmeter or a test light on any of the points that get their voltage from that relay. The ignition coil is usually fairly easy to reach, and the twelve volt feed wire is typically dark green with an orange stripe. That same wire feeds the field winding in the alternator. It is impossible to tell which terminal is which on the back of the alternator because the two wires disappear into a black plastic block. It does not matter though. When the ASD relay turns on, one of the two small nuts holding that block on will have full battery voltage and the other one will have less, but not zero volts. Both will have zero volts if the ASD relay did not turn on.

A more involved method of determining if the ASD relay is turning on is to remove its cover, then watch the movable contact while a helper cranks the engine. You should see it flip for that first one second, then it should flip again during cranking. If it does flip for that first second but not during cranking, suspect the cam or crank sensor. That is where the diagnostic fault codes will come in handy. Any stored codes will be erased from memory if the battery was disconnected or run dead so you might have to crank the engine for a while for the problem to be detected and the code recorded again.

Another way to read the codes is with a scanner. If you plan on working on cars professionally, I strongly recommend you buy a scanner of your own so you do not have to wait in line to use the shop's equipment. I am driving around right now with my Chrysler DRB2 connected to my minivan. It will do everything necessary while aftermarket scanners never do all the things the manufacturer's stuff will do. The DRB2 works on all Chrysler products from 1983 through 1995 but it requires various plug-in cartridges. I also have the newer DRB3 which works on 1998 through most 2004 or 2005 models. With a plug-in cartridge, it will work on 1994 to 1997 Chrysler's as well as any brand and model of car sold in the U.S. after 1996. A different cartridge lets it work back to the 1983 models.

If you want to invest in an aftermarket scanner, the best one, I have heard, for the money is the Genysis version 3.0. I never used it but I heard it can be updated over the internet. Snap-on has a number of scanners too but everything they sell including updates is expensive. You can find good used equipment from the guys who drive the tool trucks around to the shops. They will trade in stuff from people who are upgrading or leaving the industry. Other times they will know someone who has a scanner they are trying to sell so they can buy a newer one. The common vendors are Mac, Matco, Cornwell, and Snap-on. If you cannot find them in the phone book, stop in at any new car dealership and ask the mechanics when the guys show up. It is usually once a week or once every other week.

If you really want to have fun, I sell the DRB3 at old car show swap meets. You can buy them over the internet right from the manufacturer, (OTC), but the kit is very expensive, around $6,200.00. I get them for less through the parts department of the dealership I used to work for. You can find a good used DRB2 on eBay for less than $200.00 which would be fine for your truck but be sure it comes with the proper cartridge. The last one had a yellow sticker matching the yellow service manuals for 1994. It is an updated version of all the other cartridges that came before it. The cost is reasonable for someone starting out, but the vehicles it covers are disappearing fast.

Both the DRB 2 and DRB3 include an "actuator" test that allows you to run stuff that is controlled by the various computers. In the case of your engine computer, with the press of a button, you can fire the ignition coil to see if it is working, fire the injectors, turn on the radiator fan, tun on the ASD relay, and turn on the fuel pump relay if the vehicle uses one separate from the ASD relay. I have never seen an aftermarket scanner that can do actuator tests, but that could have changed within the past few years.

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Aug 16, 2010 at 5:19 AM
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On my Dodge I found that the hall effect sensor/distributor pickup magnet had a bunch of crud on it. So sometimes it put out a signal which resulted in intermittent engine failure.
Cost $40.00 to replace and has been cranking great since.
Oct 2, 2014 at 8:02 AM
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Hey just to let know, my 1995 dodge Dakota had same issue with no. Spark, end up being crankshaft sensor. Replaced and now back on the road.
Feb 19, 2017 at 4:15 PM
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Hey,

Great addition to this thread! Please feel free to help out on the site whenever it can add information that will help people.

Best, Ken
Feb 22, 2017 at 2:06 PM
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V8 four wheel drive automatic.

No spark to the coil. please help.
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Spark does not go to the coil, it comes from the coil. You have to test for power at one terminal and ground pulse on the other terminal.
Feb 22, 2017 at 2:07 PM (Merged)
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There is no power going to the coil at all.
Feb 22, 2017 at 2:07 PM (Merged)
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Did you realize that it is only supposed to be powered for the first two seconds of "key on" and then again when the PCM see a tachameter signal from cranking?
Feb 22, 2017 at 2:07 PM (Merged)
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Six cylinder two wheel drive manual 165,000 miles.

I am needing help finding out my problem with my truck of no spark. so far i have replaced the coil and the pickup coil, ECM. I have read in the Chilton manual that if there is a fuel system problem that it will shut the system down. does that pertain to the auto shut down relay? I am open to any suggestions and will to check anything out just need this truck running. Thanks in advance. I will be glad to donate once my problem is resolved.
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Did you check for codes? With the engine cranking, is there any primary voltage to the ignition coil, injectors?

You might try unplugging the heated o2 sensor, then see if spark comes back.

I just wanted to add, the computer needs to see the proper cam and crank signals or it may not ground the asd relay. The ASD relay supplies voltage to the coil--injectors-- heated o2 sensor--whatever else. The hall switches have three wire connectors, ref voltage--ground--signal, you need to check all three circuits, if troubleshooting points you in that direction.
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there are twelve volts going to and coming out of the coil, i had the pickup coil tested at AutoZone and they told me it was bad so i replace it and still no spark, the o2 sensor is unplugged, have not received any codes yet though. i see a lot of instructions to replace the crankshaft sensor. also, what is the proper way to check a ASD?
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Is the primary connector at the coil, a two wire connector, that is B+ and ground? take the connector loose, use an led test light on the two terminals, have somebody crank the engine. Does the lite pulse?

If you have good voltage at the coil and injectors, with the engine cranking, the ASD relay appears to be okay.

You did check for spark at the plugs, correct? Did you take the coil wire loose from the distributor cap, hold the wire close to an engine ground, have helper crank engine, watch for spark to jump? It might be safer on the system to use a spark tester.
Feb 22, 2017 at 2:07 PM (Merged)
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My truck with the 3.9 quit running on me and with two exceptions will not restart. I have had no previous problems with this engine. The two exceptions that it did restart it ran normally. It did shut off once the second time I turned it off. The engine just spins over. there is no spark from the coil but I have not yet checked for power to the coil. The on-board diagnostics give me a code 32 and a code 42. I have read every thing from a notorious three into one pigtail corroding to the crank shaft sensor. Are there test I can perform to narrow this down instead of just tossing out cash for unneeded parts?
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Hard to do testing without a scan tool to verify crank sensor reading. it is the most common failure for this condition. try removing the connector and looking for corrosion.

Roy
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Hi guys. Check for voltage at the ignition coil primary "positive" wire, any injector, or either small wire on the back of the alternator. You should see twelve volts there for one second when you turn on the ignition switch and you might hear the fuel pump hum too for that one second. What is important is if that voltage comes back during cranking. If it does not, suspect the crankshaft position sensor just mentioned.

Code 42 is related to something shorted on the line coming from the automatic shutdown (ASD) relay that feeds the ignition coil, fuel pump, and injectors. The clue there would be there is no twelve volts to those items for that first one second when you turn on the ignition switch. That is best tested with a test light. Most digital voltmeters do not respond fast enough for you to see that voltage.

You might try swapping the ASD relay with a different one like it. They do not fail very often but you do not want to overlook something simple.
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Six cylinder two wheel drive automatic.

My truck stalled in the driveway and now will not restart. It is getting fuel and I believe there is no spark. I replaced the cap and rotor. Still nothing. Try the coil next or try something else? The engine turns over but will not fire.
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No snapping blue spark continue to troubleshoot the ignition system-power input to the coil/coil packs, coil's resistances, distributor pick-up coil, ignition control module, cam and crank sensors and computer.
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I have a 1999 Dodge Dakota v8 5.2 and I am having the same problem no spark. I can hear my fuel pump kick on and my PCM relay and I know my PCM is good because it has already been re-manufactured. I have replaced my coil pack, cam sensor, and my crank shaft sensor but my brother in-law put it on and he is lazy so I am wondering does your crankshaft sensor have to be hooked up a certain way because I have narrowed it back down to this been trying for the last two weeks its has to be the crankshaft sensor.
Jul 7, 2017 at 2:06 PM
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Hello,

This ADS relay in these trucks had big problems.Here is a guide and a diagram (below) and a guide to help you confirm the relay failure:

https://www.2carpros.com/articles/how-to-check-an-electrical-relay-and-wiring-control-circuit

and

https://www.2carpros.com/articles/how-to-use-a-test-light-circuit-tester

Please run this test and get back to us we are interested to see what it is.

Cheers, Ken
Jul 7, 2017 at 8:00 PM
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I have the 5.2 litter v8. it starts up and runs great then after a little while it dies. then it wont restart just turns over. I checked it for spark and fuel and it has fuel but no spark. I replaced the cap, rotor, coil pickup, ignition coil.
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The PCM controls the ignition timing and when the engine is cold the PCM will provide a set amount of advanced timing, then when warm it is decided by the coolant temp, rpm, and manifold pressure. Also the o2 sensor. There maybe some issue with the Auto-shutdown-relay, (ASD) which provides power to the ignition coil.
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Assuming that you checked for a spark at oneof the spark plug wires, you now need to check for a spark at the coil tower. You can do this by disconnecting the coil wire from the distributor and checking for a spark at the end of that wire. If you don't get a spark there it could be a bad coil wire, so check a second time using a different coil wire [if you have or can get one].

If you still don't get a spark: use a voltmeter to probe the GRY/BLK (gray with a black stripe) wire in the ignition coil wiring harness. the meter should read 12v. If not, check for an open in the GRY/BLK wire.
(I am assuming the Auto Shutdown Relay is good since you get fuel when the engine cuts off and the Auto Shutdown Relay also sends power to the ignition coil).

If you got 12v, we have to check to see if the coil is getting a switching signal from the pcm. Use a voltmeter or testlight to probe the BLK/GRY (black with a gray stripe) wire in the ignition coil wiring harness. The BLACK terminal of the voltmeter should be used to probe the connector and the RED terminal connected to the POS of the battery. Crank the engine over as if you're trying to start it, the 12v display should flash on and off the whole time your partner is cranking the engine.
The Test Light flashed On and Off: This is means that the Power Control Module (Fuel Injection Computer) is activating the Ignition Coil and since the Ignition Coil is not Sparking... the Ignition Coil is BAD. Replace the Ignition Coil.

The Test Light DID NOT flash On and Off: The most likely cause of this missing Switching Signal is either an Open Short in the wiring between the PCM and the Ignition Coil's connector or the PCM (Powertrain Control Module = Fuel Injection Computer) is BAD (although this is a rare thing).
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thanks for the response. I checked the wires that plugs into the bottom of the ignition coil. as it was turning over the test light was not flashing. but I was getting constant power without turning it over. could a temp sensor or o2 sensor do this? because it runs fine for a while. it ran perfect for about 1 and half hours today then I put the air cleaner on the truck and it died 5 minutes later. now no spark again have to wait another 4 hours before restart
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There is a dodge technical bulletin that describes this problem. Try this and see if it helps.

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When the engine will not start up, please repeat the following test Using a voltmeter this time.

THIS TEST IS FOR THE FIRST WIRE IN THE IGNITION COIL CONNECTOR:
use a voltmeter to probe the GRY/BLK (gray with a black stripe) wire in the ignition coil wiring harness. the meter should read 12v with the ignition switch ON. If not, check for an open in the GRY/BLK wire.

THIS TEST IS FOR THE SECOND WIRE IN THE IGNITION COIL CONNECTOR: Use a voltmeter to probe the BLK/GRY (black with a gray stripe) wire in the ignition coil wiring harness. The BLACK terminal of the voltmeter should be used to probe the connector and the RED terminal connected to the POS of the battery. Crank the engine over as if you're trying to start it, the 12v display should flash on and off the whole time your partner is cranking the engine.

Post your results please
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1989 Dodge Dakota 6 cyl Two Wheel Drive Automatic

I have a 1989 dodge dakota 3.9L V6 and About a month ago, it stopped running on the road. I eventually got it running again. Just started running again. Then ladt week it died again on the road. I replaced the fuel filter, Coil..Twice, cap and rotor. It ran fine yesterday and this morning no start. No spark and no fuel? Please somebody help. I just need to know how to troubleshoot this. If I knew what was wrong, I could fix it.
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Inspect and test the auto shutdown relay it powers the fuel pump and the coil
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ok got a voltmeter and there are 2 wires at the ignition coil wiring harness one is green with an orang stripe. this one is allways hot 12 volts if the key is on or not. the other is grey while my partner was turning over the engine I tried to see if the 12v would flash. it would but only for a second then it would quit. if I moved the meter around inside the hole it would start to flash again then stop. could it be the plug that plugs up to the ignition coil
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[quote:fa9280a6d0="rasmataz"]Inspect and test the auto shutdown relay it powers the fuel pump and the coil[/quote:fa9280a6d0]

Thank you! I found it. It WAS the ASD. I cleaned it off and replaced it and she fired right up. Thanks for your help!!
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I can't figure out why my dakota won't start. It has had a rough idle for about 2 months. Then for the last week it has started hard, by that i mean it cranked forever to start. Once started ran good, just the rough idle and every now and then bad misfire while driving would clear up after a couple seconds though. Just this morning went to start it and no start. I have gas, 47 lbs at the rail. No spark. No power to coil, crank sensor or the cam sensor ( pickup coil ). What next? When i unplug my crank sensor fuel pump does not work. Is it in asd mode? To my understanding if it is my fuel pump will also be shut off, is that true or can only my spark be stopped? THanks
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Hi dirtrider501. Welcome to the forum. First of all, understanding how the circuit works will help in diagnosing it. When you first turn on the ignition switch, the Engine Computer turns on the automatic shutdown relay (ASD) for one second to insure fuel pressure is up and ready for starting. Besides the fuel pump or pump relay, the ASD relay also sends voltage to the ignition coil, injectors, oxygen sensor heaters, and alternator field. If you hear the hum of the fuel pump for that first second, you know the ASD circuit is working.

The Engine Computer turns the ASD relay on again when it sees engine rotation, either cranking or running. It knows that by the pulses coming from the crankshaft position sensor and on some engines, the camshaft position sensor. Both of those sensors run on 5.0 volts or 8.0 volts supplied by the Engine Computer.

The fuel pressure you measured could be from the one second initial burst. The missing voltage at the coil can be explained if you measured it when the engine wasn't rotating. If the fuel pump is running and the coil has no voltage, there has to be a break in a wire or splice since both are on the same circuit. To double-check, measure the voltage to the coil for that first second and again during engine cranking. If it's there only for that first second, suspect the crankshaft position sensor.

The rest of the system operation has to do with a crash that ruptures a fuel line. The engine can't run without fuel pressure so it stalls. Loss of pulses from the crankshaft position sensor tells the Engine Computer to turn off the ASD relay. That removes voltage to the fuel pump so it also turns off to prevent dumping raw fuel onto the ground. The circuit is very reliable but often misunderstood. A lot of people try to diagnose the first thing they find missing, spark or fuel pressure, but it's important to check for both. The most common failure is the crankshaft position sensor. The individual coil and pump circuits account for very few problems.

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[quote:80ef9d9312="caradiodoc"]Hi dirtrider501. Welcome to the forum. First of all, understanding how the circuit works will help in diagnosing it. When you first turn on the ignition switch, the Engine Computer turns on the automatic shutdown relay (ASD) for one second to insure fuel pressure is up and ready for starting. Besides the fuel pump or pump relay, the ASD relay also sends voltage to the ignition coil, injectors, oxygen sensor heaters, and alternator field. If you hear the hum of the fuel pump for that first second, you know the ASD circuit is working.

The Engine Computer turns the ASD relay on again when it sees engine rotation, either cranking or running. It knows that by the pulses coming from the crankshaft position sensor and on some engines, the camshaft position sensor. Both of those sensors run on 5.0 volts or 8.0 volts supplied by the Engine Computer.

The fuel pressure you measured could be from the one second initial burst. The missing voltage at the coil can be explained if you measured it when the engine wasn't rotating. If the fuel pump is running and the coil has no voltage, there has to be a break in a wire or splice since both are on the same circuit. To double-check, measure the voltage to the coil for that first second and again during engine cranking. If it's there only for that first second, suspect the crankshaft position sensor.

The rest of the system operation has to do with a crash that ruptures a fuel line. The engine can't run without fuel pressure so it stalls. Loss of pulses from the crankshaft position sensor tells the Engine Computer to turn off the ASD relay. That removes voltage to the fuel pump so it also turns off to prevent dumping raw fuel onto the ground. The circuit is very reliable but often misunderstood. A lot of people try to diagnose the first thing they find missing, spark or fuel pressure, but it's important to check for both. The most common failure is the crankshaft position sensor. The individual coil and pump circuits account for very few problems.

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I understand all you said, but i do have fuel pressure the whole entire time. after i am done cranking on it for any amount of time the fuel pump still runs for a couple seconds after. Do you know what the ohms should be on the hall effect sensor? Or the crank sensor? I am pretty sure it is either of those, i just hate to throw parts at it. Also I have seen and heard of older dakotas having a wiring splice issue about 8 inches under the fuse box, do you know if that includes my year or if that is pre 97 ( the second generation of dakotas) thanks
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Dandy observation on the fuel pump. If it was running during cranking, the crankshaft position sensor is working. Check for voltage at the ignition coil. One wire, possibly a dark green with orange stripe, (that's from memory) should have battery voltage during cranking. It is on the same circuit as the fuel pump. If voltage is missing and you have no spark, that could be the splice you're referring to. In that case, I'll have to find a Chrysler service manual to determine where that splice is located.

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[quote:e46d26dc79="caradiodoc"]Dandy observation on the fuel pump. If it was running during cranking, the crankshaft position sensor is working. Check for voltage at the ignition coil. One wire, possibly a dark green with orange stripe, (that's from memory) should have battery voltage during cranking. It is on the same circuit as the fuel pump. If voltage is missing and you have no spark, that could be the splice you're referring to. In that case, I'll have to find a Chrysler service manual to determine where that splice is located.

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correct i have no power while cranking to the coil off that wire. I have had on 2 occasions where the crank sensor was bad, even though the fuel pump was running properly...... really threw me for a loop. Let me know if that splice deal is accurate on this year truck or if possibly i may have my third crank sensor only working half properly! On a second note they were both Chrysler products that did that too!
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CARADIODOC
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Well, if you read the system operation description in the service manual, they say one sensor turns on the ASD relay and the other one is for injector timing. All I've ever found is when either sensor is defective, the ASD relay doesn't turn on and there is no power to the coil(s) OR the fuel pump. Complicating the issue is some vehicles have a separate fuel pump relay that is in parallel with the ASD relay so they both turn on together but they feed different circuits. Complicating that even more, there are a few vehicles that use two different pins from the Engine Computer to run each relay.

If you have no voltage to the coil during cranking, the first thing to do is determine if the ASD relay is turning on. If you had Chrysler's DRB3 scanner, it will tell when the relay is commanded on. I don't know if aftermarket scanners will show that. An easier way is to pop the cover off the relay, reinstall it, and watch the flipper while a helper cranks the engine. If the contact flips on but there is no voltage to the coil, it becomes a simple matter of finding the break in the circuit. If the ASD relay is not turning on, head back to the cam and crank sensors.

As an alternative, you can try measuring for the same voltage on the two small nuts on the back of the alternator. One of them should also have battery voltage during cranking.

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my truck has a 5.2 318 v8. it will run perfect for 45 minutes some times longer the other day it ran all day. then it dies. when it dies it takes about 3 hours before it will start again. so I went to auto zone they told me it was most likely the coil pickup. so I tried it and it died. so I returned the coil pickup and got a ignition coil and it died again. so I retuned the ignition coil and got a crank position sensor. and it died again. I did not return the crank position sensor because it was kinda hard to install. when the truck dies and wont restart it has no spark. but I am getting fuel you can smell it flooding out when I try to start it after it dies. I took a light tester and checked the wiring harness that plugs into the ignition coil and the grey wire lights up but the green wire is supposed to flash and wont after it dies. the only code I get is 12- 55. please help
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I hope i am not stepping ahead of myself but I believe i figured it out tonight. After many hours of chasing wires and going through alldata schematics i found a oxygen sensor that was grounding itself out, and when i unplugged it i started receiving power and my pulsating ground. However my coil does not work, i believe my oxygen sensor shorted out and was sending feedback through the computer and lead to my coil being shorted out. I will find out for sure tomorrow when i order up a new coil and oxygen sensor. I will keep you posted. thanks for the incite.
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CJ MEDEVAC
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think this might be the issue?

see my answer in this link

https://www.2carpros.com/questions/1997-jeep-grand-cherokee-car-kept-cutting-off-while-driving-had-fuel-pump

return back here with a grin!.....or any other questions....i'll do what i can

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