ignition problem, no spark to the distributor cap?

THAT IS DEPRESSING

SNIFF-SNIFF

KNOWING THAT PEOPLE HAVE LET THEIR BABIES SIT THERE AND JUST WEATHER AWAY

EVEN MORE DEPRESSING---OTHERS HAVE NOT STEPPED IN AND RESCUED THEM

LIKE THE TOYS IN THE EVIL LITTLE BOY'S BEDROOM IN THE 1ST "TOY STORY" MOVIE

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well ive encountered yet ANOTHER carb problem. i went to start her up the other day and because it was sitting it lost the prime to the carb. well when it finally got there it was just pouring the gas into the mouth of the carb to the point where it spit some back out because it was being flooded entirely. even after i stopped trying to start it the gas was still just pouring into the mouth of the carb. and after i finally got it started and it stopped that, it would only run when the idle was set ridiculously high. like it was starving of fuel. it goes from one extreme to the other. i might just have to invest in a good one.

BOSS LETS DO A LITTLE LAND LINE COMMO---STILL GOT MY NUMERALS?

LET ME KNOW---I'LL SEEN IT IN MESSAGES

THE MEDIC

Well I finally went and made her street legal. Has plates and registration, and 2 weeks to have it inspected. But it just developed this odd issue with the brakes. Anytime I even slightly touch the brake pedal the rear pass side tire instantly locks up. So the brakes are either on, or off. Any clue to what would cause this?

DOES YA KNOW HOW TO ADJUST DRUM BRAKES

AIN'T REAL HARD

SINCE YOU DID NOT INSTALL THE BRAKES INITIALLY

LETS CHECK TO SEE IF THEY ARE ASSEMBLED CORRECTLY 1ST, THIS COULD BE A PROBLEM, HOPING IT'S JUST NEEDING SOME ADJUSTING.....I FEEL SURE MOM AND DAD WOULD CONCUR!

THIS IS SORTA "LAW"

WHEN YOU GET A SET OF SHOES---THERE ARE 4 OF THEM---2 ARE PRIMARY SHOES (SHORTER LININGS)---2 ARE SECONDARY SHOES (LONGER LININGS)

ONE PAIR OF EACH GOES ON EITHER SIDE

NOT.....2 SHORTS ON ONE SIDE, AND 2 LONGS ON THE OTHER!!!!

ALL OF THIS IS IMPORTANT....BUT....YOU CAN SCREW THIS UP TOO!

THE SHORTER SHOE LINING ALWAYS IS AT THE FRONT----THE LONGER IS AT THE REAR

IT DOES NOT MATTER WHICH SIDE OF THE JEEP---IF YOU HAVE DRUMS IN THE FRONT..........ALWAYS THE PRIMARY (SHORTER) TO THE FRONT!!!---TO THE FRONT!!!--TO THE FRONT!!!

MY 1ST PIC---TO THE RIGHT IS THE FRONT OF MY JEEP

...THIS IS "WILLY" 1946 TECHNOLOGY----SEE HIS PRIMARY AND SECONDARY? PRIMARY TO THE FRONT!!!!

LETS CHECK THIS MUCH OUT

LETS GRAB 2 CANS OF BRAKE CLEANER, REMOVE THE DRUM AND WASH DOWN EACH SIDE, STARTING AT THE TOP

TAKE ME SOME PICS (SEVERAL OF EACH SIDE, TOP, BOTTOM, AND EACH SIDE) I WANNA SEE 'EM TOO---A POST IT NOTE WITH "D" (DRIVER'S SIDE) "P" (PASSENGER SIDE) IN THE PICS FOR ID

LETS CLEAN THE DRUMS TOO AND TAKE PICS OF THEM ON THE INSIDE

LETS TRY TO USE THAT BIG YELLOW BALL IN THE SKY TO AID WITH THEM PICS...NOW SHADOWS...NO GLARE!

GONNA STRING YOU OUT A LITTLE AS WE CONTINUE TO INSPECT AND ADJUST THESE CORRECTLY----THESE ARE IMPORTANT, THEY SORTA STOP YOUR JEEP, AND YOU TOO!

REASON FOR STRINGING YOU ALONG NOW?????

YES, YOU TAKE TOO LONG TO RESPOND, I AM STUCK TRYING TO "CRAP AN ANSWER" TO SOMEONE WHO OWNS A VEHICLE MADE BY "THE PEOPLE WHO BROUGHT YOU ACTION AT PEARL HARBOR"

I'D MUCH RATHER GET A CJ SQUARED AWAY!

(THE WHOLE REASON I STARTED ANSWERING HERE IN THE 1ST PLACE)

NO MORE EXCUSES.....KEEP THE THREAD GOING!

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I previously had the drums off, about 2 months ago. Dad, who works at the ford dealership had said they looked great and he couldn't see any issues. I will still take some pictures for ya maybe tonight or tomorrow night. I had swapped on that carb with the electronic feedback on it and it runs! The choke is all screwed up, and the idle streams are clogged so it stalls on an idle more than 10 seconds. But it drives! Got tired of playing carb swap so I jut put out the money and ordered a re-manufactured one last night. As well as new rotors and pads for the front brakes. There are 2 deep grooves on the inside of the rotors.

ROJ ON PROGRESS

THE GRABBING BRAKE MAY BE THE PRIMARY AND SECONDARY'S ARE PAIRED WRONG OR PRIMARY IS NOT TO THE FRONT....OR....BRAKES ASSEMBLED WRONG (WORST CASE)

BEST CASE---WE NEED TO ADJUST IT CORRECTLY

I'M GUESSING YOU DON'T HAVE POWER BRAKES, SO......WHEN ALL IS DONE RIGHT YOUR BRAKE PEDAL WILL ONLY SINK ABOUT A THIRD OF THE WAY DOWN OR LESS, WITH NORMAL "STOPPING PRESSURE"-----IF YOU REALLY STAND ON THEM, NOT MORE THAN HALF A PEDAL WILL BE USED

LETS TALK CARB

YOU REALLY OUTTA GET YOU A CARTER BBD FOR A 1979----FIND YOU A GREAT PROMO CODE ON THE NET (SEARCH PROMO CODES FOR ADVANCE AUTO) THEN BUY IT ONLINE, INSERT PROMO CODE AT "CHECK OUT"-----PICK THAT PUPPY UP AT YOUR LOCAL STORE IN A DAY OR TWO

"RICK" SAVED ABOUT $75.......WE DID NOT TURN HIS CORE IN, UNTIL IT WAS INSTALLED AND RUNNING (SOMETIMES YOU FORGET TO TRANSFER STUFF, LIKE YOUR AIR CLEANER BRACKET, IF YOU TURN IT IN WHEN YOU PICK UP THE REBUILT ONE, YOUR BRACKET MAY BE GONE FOREVER!)

I'LL HELP YOU LOOK FOR A GREAT PROMO CODE IF YOU WISH

THIS IS THE CARB YOU WANT

http://shop.advanceautoparts.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/product_Remanufactured-Carburetor-United-Carb_5121345-P_26_R%7CGRPCARBAMS_____

JUST FOR GIGGLES

THIS MAY MAKE THINGS BETTER--WHEN THEY REMODELED THE SITE, "QUOTE" DID NOT TRANSLATE OVER WELL (YOU'LL SEE WHAT I MEAN) MAY BE TRICKY TO READ PARTS

https://www.2carpros.com/questions/jeep-wrangler-1988-jeep-wrangler-engine-issues-when-braking

IF SOMEWHERE ABOVE I DID NOT "PASTE IN" ANOTHER JEEP POST W/ TUNING PROCEDURES LET ME KNOW I'LL FIND ANOTHER TO LINK YOU TO

YOUR TURN

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Well I've been busy after work everyday, mom and dad had 7 trees cut down out the yard but didn't pay for them to remove them. They only dropped them. So I've become one with the chainsaw the past few days. I'm thinkin maybe Monday morning I'll get out there and pop off the tires before work. Or Tuesday on my day off.

I ordered the 79 reman carter from rockauto.com was a lot cheaper. $200 including the $50 core. Parts better be here soon. I got a big 4wheeling event this weeked coming up and I need the cj ready for it!

Will report back as soon as I get the drums off again.

THIS IS RICK'S '85

NOW WITH THE '79 CARB......AND A '79 PVC

THE SIDE BY SIDE SHOTS ARE OF MY "SPARE '79 BBD AND HIS OLD '85, BEING HE WAS SO IMPATIENT, I DID NOT GET THE SIDE BY SIDES WITH HIS NEW CARB.....THE PIC W/ CARB IN HIS HAND ARE HIS OLD AND HIS NEW

HE WANTED TO KEEP HIS 12V HEATED CHOKE (WHICH, UNTIL WE TEST THE WIRES, I DON'T THINK THERE IS POWER TO IT)

I LIKE HAVING A MANUAL CHOKE--YOU CAN SEE THE LINKAGE ON MY '79 BBD IN THE PICS WITH HIS '85.....IT WAS NOT ON MY JEEP VERY LONG BEFORE I GOT THE OFFY INTAKE AND 390 CFM HOLLEY

AFTER TIMING AND TUNING (IDLE MIX SCREWS)--FIXIN' VAC LEAKS, REMOVING SOME OF THE CRAP

WE HAD THIS THING PURRING LIKE A KITTEN AT 300 RPM!

AFTER IT WAS ALL TUNED--WE HAVE THE DISTRIBUTOR HOOKED TO "MANIFOLD VACUUM"......NOT PORTED VACUUM.....IDLE STAYS SET TO 680 RPM (BOOK VALUE AND DON'T RUN WELL "COLD", MUCH LOWER THAN THAT)

JEALOUS????

WE'LL GET YOU THERE!

THE MEDIC

Okay I have a few questions for ya. In the pic of the new/old carb; did all the vacuum ports with the red caps on them remain capped after installation? We're any of them hooked up to something?

Where do you have the distributor advance vacuum line hooked up to?

Next, where does the PCV valve hose lead to?

And lastly, where does the hose that is shaped like a goofy T right above the fuel inlet on the carb go to?

Yes, very jealous. But I'm so close I can taste it! It's going to be a beauty. Thanks for all your help

AM I GOOD OR WHAT?

I'VE BEEN MEANING TO DO THIS FOR A LONG TIME!

I HOPE I DIDN'T MISSPELL STUFF

THE MEDIC

SEEMS THE RIGHT SIDE GOT CUT OFF OF THE PICS---I WILL EMAIL 'EM TO YOU WHEN I HAVE A CHANCE....IT'S 0200 HRS NOW, GOTTA BE AT WORK AT 1000 HRS

THE MEDIC

okay medic. my baby made it through the weekend of 4wheeling! the reman carb came saturday so i swapped it on sunday morning. ever since than, it seems to laugh at me and fall flat on its face when try to get moving from a stop, unless i give it almost full throttle. i got an idea, but wanted to see your opinion also. my idea is that the mixture is too lean or such, so that when i try to use the engine under the load of driving it just cant do it.? maybe? im not sure. other than that shes doing just fine!

OK GRIZZLY 93

CALL ME FROM A CELL, HAVE A FLASHLIGHT ON HAND

IF YOU HAVE A BETTER LIGHT--SET IT UP---WE MAY DO SOME TUNING

WILL IT IDLE?

I'M HERE TILL MAYBE 2200 HRS EASTERN....THE SOONER THE BETTER!

THE MEDIC

I need a good area to splice a wire to connect to the choke. But I need a wire that's only on when the key is on. Any ideas as to where I could connect it?

USE A VOLTMETER OR TEST LIGHT IN YOUR FUSE BLOCK

SEVERAL "SPADES" OR "FEMALES" ARE IN THERE AND UNUSED (SOME ARE FUSED)

YOU'LL TURN THE KEY ON AND OFF, AS YOU SEARCH, THIS WILL HELP YOU FIND THE ONE YOU WANT TO USE

CRIMP YOU A FEMALE "STAKE-ON" (OR MALE) END ON A 14 OR 16 GAUGE WIRE (THIS IS PROBABLY OVERKILL) STICK IT ON THE SPADE IN THE FUSE BLOCK, FIND A HOLE IN THE FIREWALL (PROTECT THE WIRE WITH A SMALL PIECE OF VACUUM LINE, OR A RUBBER GROMMET, AS IT GOES THRU THE FIREWALL)

PUT A FEMALE STAKE-ON ON THE CHOKE END.......YOU'RE DONE!

EVERY NOW AND AGAIN, OVER TIME, CHECK THE CHOKE FOR POWER, WITH YOUR VOLTMETER AND THE KEY ON, JUST TO INSURE A FUSE HAS NOT BLOWN OR THE FEMALE AIN'T COME OFF OF THE SPADE IN THE FUSE BLOCK

THIS WILL KEEP THE WIRE SHORT

NOT INTERFERE WITH IGNITION, ETC---AS FAR AS OVERLOADING AN ALREADY USED CIRCUIT

IF THE "SPADE" HAS A FUSE PROTECTING IT, THAT WILL BE GOOD TOO!

IF YOUR CHOKE WIRE IS NOT FUSE PROTECTED, YOU CAN DO THIS WITH 2 FEMALE STAKE-ONS AND I'D TRY A 15 AMP FUSE

KEEP THE FUSE INCHES FROM THE FUSE BOX SO THAT MOST OF THE ENTIRE WIRE IS FUSE PROTECTED, AND CAN BE SEEN WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE FUSES IN THE BOX.......IT'D BE SORTA DUMB TO PUT THE FUSE OUT THERE AT THE CHOKE, WHERE ONLY 2 INCHES OF THE WIRE IS PROTECTED

DISREGARD WHAT THE PIC I PROVIDE IS DOING (IT'S A TEST FOR ANOTHER PROBLEM), JUST LOOK AT HOW THE FUSE IS IN THE LINE

LOOK FEASIBLE ?

THE MEDIC

Well my baby went through inspection and passes. But she's been sick ever since they raped her. I swear she just got mad when they stuck their little tool up her tailpipe. It won't keep and idle, unless it's a high idle. Almost like its starvin of fuel. But it's got a full tank, it does have gas to the carb. So I guess it's tuning the carb? Adjusting the idle. I hooked up the tach and its idle was set at about 450rpm. So I cranked it up a bit around 750 and it ran better but stalled after about 15 seconds. I have some more pics but I can't do it over my phone so I'll post them later.

OFF WORK?

HOOK UP YOUR DWELL/TACH METER

HAVE TIMING LIGHT HANDY

GRAB YOUR SCREWDRIVERS

GET A SOAKING/ DRIPPING WET WASH RAG

CRANK IT UP AND LET IT RUN FOR 5 MIN, THEN GIVE ME A HOLLAR ON YOUR CELL!

I'LL BE UP TILL 24:00 EASTERN

NO SENSE IN YOU EMBARRASSING THE REST OF US WITH A SICK JEEP!

THE MEDIC

i would hop right on it if i had a garage, but since its late and i lack shelter of the rain ill have to do it another time.

ROGER!

I'LL BE HERE

THE MEDIC

OK--GOT SOME PICS OF A DANA 300----HARD TO SHIFT?

THIS IS A FULL RESTORATION I HAVE RUN ACROSS RECENTLY

THE MEDIC

OK, FORGOT MY ARROWS IN THE LAST PIC!

THE MEDIC

Well medic, long time no talk. Ive been pretty busy with working and i was on vacation for a week there too. But i finally solved the issue. It had nothing to do with the carb. I was talking to my dad about it and he suggested the fuel pump. I didnt see how that would do it, because ive only heard of them being a yea or no thing. Not only work halfway. But i trust him , and gave it a shot. Put the new one on and it purred like a kitten. The carb is a little off now from trying to mess with it before, but now it will idle so i can accurately tune it.

It is slightly out of action right now. I remembered about my steering box leak so i had to turn it off, the pump was completely dry. Im halfway into removing the steering box to replace the input shaft seal. Than i can tune the carb and time it and it should go where i want it to under its own power. Its so close i can taste it.

My job is killing me, i got no time to work on it other than an hour or two before work. Its a work in progress!

IT'S ABOUT TIME!

I RECKON IN ALL THE TIME I'VE BEEN MESSING WITH CJs---I'VE YET TO SEE A "PARTIAL" FAILURE OF A FUEL PUMP

EITHER IT WORKS OR IT DON'T, HAS BEEN MY EXPERIENCE

I HAVE SUSPECTED IT AT TIMES AND EVEN DONE THE FACTORY MANUAL TESTING.....PRESSURE AND VOLUME TESTS

SORRY IT DIDN'T EVEN CROSS MY MIND---I DO KEEP A SPARE FUEL PUMP WITH ME, ALONG WITH A COIL, IGNITION MODULE, AND THE LAST LINK OF MY CLUTCH'S BELL CRANK SYSTEM (SEE PIC)

REMEMBER, I RE-VAMPED THE REST OF IT USING SEALED BEARINGS AND SPHERICAL PLANE BEARINGS, THE ROD TO THE CLUTCH ARM IS MY WEAKEST LINK---MY MODIFICATION W/ THE BEARINGS SHOULD LAST 100 YEARS!

INSURE YOU RESEARCH YOUR STEERING AT THE K.B.---MY GEAR IS MANUAL, I REPLACED IT IN JANUARY 2010 W/ A NEW OEM SAGINAW THAT I FOUND ON THE NET (I HAD PUT ON AN OMIX-ADA CHEAPO BEFORE, IT DID NOT LAST VERY LONG}

NEED YOU TO MAIL ME YOUR COMMO # AGAIN, I HAVE LOST IT.

KEEP ME POSTED ON THAT CARB TUNING SCHEDULE, MAYBE I CAN SIT IN ON IT.

THE MEDIC

well i dove into the steering box leak and got that all taken care of this weekend. i started it during the week, i would mess with it a bit each night after work since the sun is now still out when i get off for a bit. it had me confused at first, and intimidaded with making sure i put it back on right. turned out to not be a problem at all. i snapped a few pictures along the way. not as many as usual, this thing was super greasy from leaking so bad.

also finally got around to changing the front hub assembly in my YJ. that was simple and done in an hour.

after i put the steering box back on i fired it up to mess with it some. had it running for about 10 minutes and than it stalled. the carb still needs to be tuned, maybe ill get that done thursday on my day off.

the last few pictures are from the 4wheeling trip in may, my baby being raped by the state inspection, and also this awesome looking cj5 i found one day. for your viewing pleasure..

LIKE THEM SOCKS!

....AND THAT CORAL SNAKE COILED UP AND HOLDING YOUR CALIPER UP

MAYBE YOU NEED TO TAKE THOSE OTHER PICS TO "MICROSOFT PAINT" THEN "SAVE AS" JPEG SO YOU CAN POST THEM....I'D LIKE TO SEE THE EMISSIONS THING....THEY DON'T DO IT HERE

YOU SORTA LEFT THE TIP END OF YOUR STEERING BAR HOOKED TO YOUR GEAR....I KNOW IT WAS A PAIN GETTING THE "SQUARES" AND THEIR "WAVY WASHERS" BACK IN.....NOT TO MENTION GETTING THE BOOT AND WIRE RETAINER BACK IN. I HOPE YOU FIGURED OUT PUTTING IT BACK ON THE STEERING ROD 1ST....THEN INSTALLING THE GEAR WAS THE EZist THING TO DO

WE SORTA DISCUSSED THIS ONE TIME BEFORE, BUT WITHOUT HANDS ON, IT'S HARD TO CONCEIVE

I'M OFF THURS AND FRI----EMAIL ME, I'VE LOST YOUR COMMO INFO


THE MEDIC

yeah the other pictures dont want to load. maybe if i can get my email to work, ill send them that way. i actually didnt have that hard of a time getting the collar back on the steering rod. i re-installed it the way you see it. i hammered the collar all the way down the input shaft, tightened the bolt that clamps that tight. than just slid it back over the "squares." even the boot an wire retainer wasnt too hard. it all fell into place, like it wanted to get back on there and be ran.

it seems to work better if i only do a few pictures at a time.

well I tried to tune the carb today. but the damn thing wont idle long enough to do it. this carb is pretty much just an expensive anchor. I cant stand these carbs, they are nothing but junkers this is so frustrating. I have tried everything i know, and everything you've suggested with no luck.

IT'LL BE OK!

GIMME A HOLLAR!

DON'T DESTROY NOTHING

I'LL BE UP TILL 24:00 THIS EVENING

THE MEDIC

what happened man? no call? haha. its alright sir. i got 'er going. timed and carb is tuned right in at 700 rpm on warm idle. i even turned it down for the hell of it and had it purring along at 500 rpm's. just gotta wait till tomorrow morning to see how it starts cold. ive got a slight noise that my uncle and dad say sounds like the water pump. so that might be next. good thing thats cheap, and im kinda glad its a pretty deep project. i enjoy just taking it apart and working on it. must be a jeep thing...

but all is well for now, its got a slight tap but it seems to go away after i rev it up a time or two. maybe with circulating the oil? my oil pressure is only at 20? maybe thats what is causing the tap? im not sure, what do you think?

words cant express how happy i am to be driving this thing around again, especially since ive been paying insurance on it. haha!

well, i went to take her out the other night and it would NOT keep an idle. no matter what i did. so i took a second look at it, and i dont think i tightened the distributor down from adjusting it. so i retimed it, and now the carb wont let it idle any lower than about 1000 RPM. i can tell that its trying to, but once it goes below the 1000 it falls out and stalls. from what i was told, youre supposed to time it with the vacuum advance off, is that correct? that might make the difference? im just thinking of ideas at this point. i did the carb cleaner trick to check for vacuum leaks and couldnt find anywhere that made it react.

the idle is really bouncy, even at the 1000 it bounces from 900-1300 up and down. it doesnt stay consistant at all.

also went over the ignition system again and found an issue. you'll see what i mean. cleaned them up and put em back in. was only that 1 that was like that.

WE ARE SET UP LIKE A 1979---I THINK YOU'D BE BETTER OFF USING "STOCK" SPARK PLUGS (CHAMPION N-13L OR EQUIVALENT) GAP IS .035 (THIRTY-FIVE THOUSANDTHS OF AN INCH)

IF YOU ARE EVER GIVEN A PLUG GAP "CHOICE", SUCH AS .035-.040----ALWAYS GO WITH THE SMALLER GAP (.035) THEORETICALLY THE GAP "WEARS" OR "GROWS" EVERY SO MANY THOUSAND MILES....GAPPING SMALL, WILL INSURE THAT THE CORRECT GAP DOES NOT GROW "TOO BIG" OVER TIME, AND YOUR SPARK PLUG GAP WILL REMAIN WITHIN SPECS

I ALSO RECOMMEND THAT YOU USE A 1979 PCV VALVE, AND TUNE YOUR CARB ---AFTER--- IT IS INSTALLED (IT S.UCKS IN LESS AIR THAN THE ONE FOR YOUR YEAR...THIS WOULD AFFECT YOUR AIR/ FUEL RATIO, MORE AT IDLE)

BELOW PICS SHOULD EXPLAIN TIMING (I HOPE)....LET ME KNOW IF YOU ARE CONFUSED

THE MEDIC