Shake and whine.

2001 SATURN SL2
114,000 MILES • 1.9L • 4 CYL • AUTOMATIC
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BLUEISMYCOLOR
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I had all mounts replaced not long ago, but my Saturn still shakes when idling. It gets worse when the air conditioner is on, but sometimes better when I put the car in park. What else should I have checked?

I also asked about a whine a while back. I was told by a couple friends that it was the fuel pump, but I really do not think that is the problem. It is a loud wine that goes away as i accelerate and comes back when I slow down and speed up. I am not sure if it is from the transmission, but that is what it sounds like to me. My mom also said that was what it sounded like to her. Is this something to worry about?

Also, just in the past few days it has started to kinda hard shift into first gear. I am going to have the transmission fluid and filter changed tomorrow. I should probably have it flushed, but I can not afford that. Do you think that will change this problem?
May 10, 2016 at 7:33 PM
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What are the locations of all the mounts you had replaced? So it bangs when put into drive? Also I asked before can you hear the whine in park when revving the engine? I would never have the transmission flushed. A transmission service does not solve a transmission issue.
May 10, 2016 at 9:00 PM
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You can hear it bump when put into drive sometimes. I had all engine and transmission mounts replaced. Sometimes the shake isn't bad but other times it is and only happens when in idle. It started to shake pretty bad the other day when i went into reverse. I am a bit weary of a flush myself. I didn't get the fluid changed yet but the plan is to do it tomorrow. The weather here has been quite rainy and wet. I do notice the whine when revving in park slightly. Also when I brake my rps jump up and down. I had to coolant sensor replaced but it did not fix the problem. It also idles high when I start the car and will sit at around 1300-1400 rps. It will only go down after I have driven a while.
May 23, 2016 at 6:41 PM
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So you had which mounts replaced?How many were replaced?Also do you have a delay or delay bang into reverse?
May 23, 2016 at 6:46 PM
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There is no delay in reverse. I don't know where the locations of the mounts are but my mechanic said he changed all the motor and transmission mounts. This was probably about a year ago but it did not fix the issue.
May 23, 2016 at 6:50 PM
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If I knew what he replaced that would really help.Does it only vibrate in gear?
May 23, 2016 at 6:54 PM
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I'm sorry. It doesn't vibrate when in park.
May 23, 2016 at 6:58 PM
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Then usually the lower transmission mount under the transmission colaspes or tears loose.Also the upper engine mount by the coolant bottle colaspes and tears.Takes some pictures of the upper mount from all different angles and post them for me to see.
May 23, 2016 at 7:03 PM
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Ok. I did the best I could with the pictures. Also I uploaded these videos .the first one is of the high idle and you can also hear the whine I have been trying to explain. The second one is a closer up of the whine.

https://youtu.be/jUyGq5_hjbs

https://youtu.be/XxOyxCbnjIs
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May 23, 2016 at 7:26 PM
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I need to see the part of the mount between the coolant bottle and the mount.
May 23, 2016 at 7:28 PM
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I couldn't get between there. My phone would fit there isn't enough room. :(
May 23, 2016 at 7:34 PM
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Take a picture of it you can see it with your eyes so you can take a picture of it.
May 23, 2016 at 7:56 PM
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I tried every way I could. I can not get between there to get a picture.
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May 23, 2016 at 8:18 PM
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I just tried to take a picture of the mount from that angle on my Saturn.I can't do it ether.Do you have a 5mm Allen L shaped wrench?
May 24, 2016 at 5:54 PM
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I wont be home until Monday. I might have one there but I'm not sure I will have to check. Any thoughts on the other issues?
May 25, 2016 at 3:21 PM
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As far as the whine noise goes it's hard to say without hearing it and driving it.Sometimes the idler pulley bearings goes bad and whine have seen that before.As far as the hard shift into first goes I would perform a pressure test.They have problems with the valve bodies pressure regulators.
May 25, 2016 at 5:46 PM
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Ok. Any idea what a pressure test costs?
May 25, 2016 at 6:21 PM
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Probably about a hours labor maybe 1.5hrs times there labor rate. I used to charge a hour labor when I worked at the Saturn dealer.But here's the thing they have to do a high and low pressure reading.That's at idle with the line pressure fuse in and the high one is with the line pressure fuse out.With the engine at operating temp.You also have to do what's called a step pressure test.That's where the scan tool commands the pressures at set pressures then you watch the gauge it should be within 10psi high or low of commanded pressures.You can't always pick up a problem with the high and low pressure test.But the step pressure test will usually catch the pressure issue.
May 25, 2016 at 7:05 PM
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Ok. Thank you!
May 25, 2016 at 8:38 PM
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Any idea what else could be causing the rpms to go up and down when I hit the brake? Like I said, already had the coolant temp sensor replaced.
May 25, 2016 at 8:39 PM
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So you have a fast idle when you come to a stop sometimes?
May 26, 2016 at 6:52 AM
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The rpms always go up and down before settling when I break.
May 26, 2016 at 8:12 AM
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If you're at a stop with the car in park and step on the brake will the rpms go up and down like when coming to a stop?Also have you checked for codes in the computer yet?
May 26, 2016 at 12:19 PM
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There are no codes. It does not do it in park at all. Earlier today it took a big jump up and down and acted like it didn't want to stop. But mostly they just jump up and down and back up before settling.
May 26, 2016 at 5:05 PM
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Have you ever replaced the coolant temp sensor?Bad ones can cause idle issues a lot of other symptoms.
May 26, 2016 at 9:49 PM
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Yes I had that done hoping it would fix it.
May 26, 2016 at 11:08 PM
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Was the connector to it corroded?Also have you checked for vacuum leaks damaged loose vacuum lines etc?
May 27, 2016 at 8:35 AM
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I don't think any of that has been checked. I will have it done as soon as I can.
May 27, 2016 at 11:47 AM
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I may just add my 2 bobs worth in here, i have been browsing this thread and i am wondering if it is in fact a vacuum related issue, is there any correlation between the vibration and breaking? if so you may have a minor booster leak causing an issue.
May 27, 2016 at 5:51 PM
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The vibration only happens when idle while in drive or reverse. It seems to go away when in park. When breaking it doesn't vibrate any worse.
May 27, 2016 at 8:10 PM
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OK, another option may be that the engine is in tension, try backing off all the mounts and driving around the block, re tighten mounts this may settle the engine into position and re tighten all mounts, just need to start eliminating some basics.
May 27, 2016 at 9:44 PM
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Another trick is a mount rebalance there is even a Saturn bulletin for this.Loosen all the mounts and the three exhaust nuts on the down pipe off the exhaust manifold.Plus the two exhaust 10mm bolts below the oil pan and the three 13mm nuts at the back of the cat.Then rock the engine with enthusiasm the tight the exhaust nuts at the exhaust manifold then the back of the cat and the two 10mm bolts by the oil pan.Then tighten the mount bolts.
May 27, 2016 at 10:06 PM
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Ok. Thank you for all the suggestions!:I will look for someone to help me do these things. You guys are great!
May 27, 2016 at 11:12 PM
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May 28, 2016 at 8:26 AM