How do i remove the front axle on passenger side?

2012 LAND ROVER LR2
85,000 MILES • 6 CYL • 4WD • AUTOMATIC
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BHAMDOC1973
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Removing front axle.
May 17, 2023 at 11:51 AM
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Hello BHAMDOC1973,

Here are some instructions on how to change an axle. The process is the same for your vehicle. Let me know if I can answer any questions.

https://www.2carpros.com/articles/replace-cv-axle

When you get to the point that everything is out of the way and the axle is ready to come out, using a slide hammer with a hook will make life easier. I will add a picture for you of this. If you don't have one, most auto parts stores rent them.

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Brendon
May 17, 2023 at 1:25 PM
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So, if i remove it and since tgere is a half shadt, will it eliminate the problem being in the transfer case on the passenger side? Am trying to eliminate the binding when turning and the play is in this axle.
May 17, 2023 at 2:02 PM
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Hello BHAMDOC1973,

Replacing the axle won't fix an issue in the differential. If the axle has play in it, it's a possibility the axle is binding.

Is the axle leaking any grease or any clicking noises when turning?

The best way to tell if it is binding is to remove it from the hub and move it around and see if it binds.

If it is leaking grease or the boot is torn or if you are making noises when turning it's likely it is just the axle and replacing it should fix your issue.

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Brendon
May 17, 2023 at 2:36 PM
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No leaks or grease. What I am saying is, if i remove half the shaft, since it's 2 pieces then the tire isn't connected to it and if the part going into the transfer case is the issue will it still be there with the half axle out? It should not bind since this side of the car is not involved in the tur inf, no clicking noises just play mainly at the half shaft.
May 17, 2023 at 2:54 PM
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Hello BHAMDOC1973,

If the issue is in the half shaft and you remove it the problem shouldn't occur.

Are you trying to remove half the axle and turn the other half to see if the transfer case is bidding?

If there is play in the half-shaft it should be replaced.

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Brendon
May 17, 2023 at 4:15 PM
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Never mind completely remove it from transfer case abd plug the hole and out it back and drive it to see if it eliminates it. Then, if it does could be internal to the transfer caae or the axle, ugh.
May 17, 2023 at 5:04 PM
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Hello BHAMDOC1973,

If you remove the c/v shaft and put the wheel back on and drive it there is nothing holding the bearing together. The axle and the nut keep the bearing together. If you drive it without it, the bearing could come apart.

Your best bet would be to get an axle first. Remove the old one from the steering knuckle side only and move it around and see if it binds. If so, you can just replace it since you already have the part and it's taken apart.

If it doesn't bind, then we will have to look further into the drive train, and you can return the unused axle.

I do not recommend driving it without the c/v axle and axle nut installed as this could damage your vehicle.

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Brendon
May 18, 2023 at 4:35 AM
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But the binding could be from the inner boot since I believe the play may be coming from there. There is a snap ring on the half shaft, does that need to be removed for the whole axle to come off? I could not see anything in the link you sent about that.
May 18, 2023 at 4:51 AM
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I am not going to drive around, just in my driveway, as i can tell right away if it has solved the issue, it will either be the axle after i inspect both boots or the transfer case has internal issues. I find it hard to believe that the rear end if it has issues can cause front binding while turning.
May 18, 2023 at 5:05 AM
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Hello BHAMDOC1973,

I wouldn't drive it in the driveway either.

Your original question said "How do I remove the front axle on passenger side? ". Where did the rear of the vehicle come in?

Maybe we can back up a little here. I think I may not be understanding you completely.

Are you trying to remove and replace a front axle? Or are you trying to diagnose a binding issue?

So, what is it you are trying to fix because from your original question I assumed you needed instructions on how to remove the front axle on the passenger side.

Are you trying to diagnose a binding condition while driving?

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Brendon
May 18, 2023 at 5:32 AM
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I am trying to diagnose the front binding which only occurs when i turn. Someone mentioned that it could be a rear end issue, I am just wondering how is that possible. Yes, i wanted to remove the axle to see if the binding goes away first.
May 18, 2023 at 5:48 AM
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Hello BHAMDOC1973,

I would leave it together, jack the front of it up, turn the key on so the steering wheel is unlocked and put your hands on the passenger side at 9 o'clock and 3 o'clock and push the tire in like it would be if you were turning left. Once you have it pushed in rotate the tire and see if you can see the axle popping or moving.

Unfortunately, I don't have a lot of information for this vehicle so if you could take some pictures of the axle in a couple of different spots, I can help you better. For example, where the snap ring is, where it goes into the differential, where it goes into the hub. That would help me to help you. Sometimes with vehicles like Land Rover and other higher end vehicles information is hard to find.

I am adding a picture of a passenger front axle. Can you tell me if this is what yours looks like?

Does it bind at all if you are parked and turn the wheels back and forth lock to lock?

What made you go directly to the passenger side axle? For instance, what symptom led you to that part of the vehicle?

Does it happen when you turn only left or does it happen when you turn either left or right?

Finally, does it seem to happen more in a parking lot or lower speed turn or all the time no matter what the vehicle speed is?

If you could take a moment and answer these questions for me as well as add some more you think might help, it will help me understand your exact issue and help you better.

I want to make sure I provide you with the best help possible but just need a little more information.

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Brendon
May 18, 2023 at 6:47 AM
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I added a picture of where the snap ring is, usually they are on the outside of the carrier support in the middle, but this snap ring is on the inside of it right where i circled. Not sure how it prevents the axle from coming out being on the inside.
It only binds when i start ti move so for example if i am trying to turn in my driveway to park it
I felt it coming from the right side. Also, the play in the axle up and down is excessive on passenger.
It mainly happens when turning left, like something is grabbing and then letting go.

It happens only if you turn, mainly felt at low speed, nothing when driving in straight line.

May 18, 2023 at 7:49 AM
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Hello BHAMDOC1973,

Yes, that snap ring will need to be removed. I think it is more to keep the bearing in place in the support. Honestly, vehicles are way over engineered these days. I swear sometimes I think they just want to make things difficult for fun.

To me with binding while turning at slow speeds and the excessive play in the axle, that the axle is causing the issue.

You said it feels like it is grabbing then letting go. If it were a differential issue, say it was locked up and wouldn't let both wheels turn at different speeds when turning, it would do it all the time not grab and let go. It would feel like you are driving with an old 4wd truck with the 4-wheel drive engaged on pavement.

Do you have a scan tool that you can monitor your wheel speed sensors with?

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Brendon
May 18, 2023 at 10:43 AM
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Yes, i have a scanner, I'll get axle out first for inspection then go from there.
May 18, 2023 at 10:54 AM
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Hello BHAMDOC1973,

Okay, sounds good. Let me know what you find.

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Brendon
May 18, 2023 at 10:57 AM
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Snap ring is out, now axle not coming out, I don't want to pull on it and end up with a broken inner boot I guess, not enough room to insert a fork or a prier, I'll see what I can do.
May 18, 2023 at 12:02 PM
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Put it back after removing half the acle from boot, it all came apart so i left other half in transfer case. Driving it felt weird for sure, but while parked and turning wheel lock to lock no binding, and while turning and driving now no binding, so either this axle or the transfer case.
May 18, 2023 at 1:24 PM
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Hello BHAMDOC1973,

It sounds like it possibly just needs an axle. The axle is more likely an issue than the transfer case, on any vehicle. With the play you have I would say replacing the axle is your best bet. To be honest if it were my vehicle I would try replacing the axle and I don't replace anything without testing everything, just like you have. Since the problem disappeared with the axle removed it is a good possibility it is the axle.

Significant play in the drive axle is a good indication the axle needs to be replaced.

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Brendon
May 18, 2023 at 7:11 PM
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Can you find me the part number for the snap ring that holds the bearing on the carrier? Can't find it any where.
May 19, 2023 at 5:30 AM
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Hello BHAMDOC1973,

Absolutely. Let me see what I can find for you. You might need to call the dealer with your VIN for this particular part.

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Brendon
May 19, 2023 at 9:26 AM
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Hello BHAMDOC1973,

I have looked everywhere, and I can't find a part number for it either. I can find the bracket but no snap ring. Sometimes they group parts together so the snap ring might only be available with the bracket.

I don't see why they would do that, but a lot of manufacturers do it.

A lot of times the bearing won't come out bracket and you need to replace it anyway in order to do the axle.

Your best option in my opinion is grab your VIN and call a local Land Rover dealer parts department. A Jaguar dealer might have access to Land Rover parts as well if you can't find a Land Rover dealer. They more than likely have it in stock.

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Brendon
May 19, 2023 at 11:41 AM
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I tried and tried it's not coming out. The boot separated in middle so am stuck with half shaft and bearing in there. Hammered the bearing and where the old boot attaches no success. Used forks, pry bars nothing is moving. I wanted to do like i did with a Mazda i have and remove it with the bracket but the idiots who designed it designed it with 4 bolts one of them tucked under the part where the boot attaches.
May 28, 2023 at 2:22 PM
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After banging on the bearing for hours between breaks, i was like there was no way this thing is not budging a milli, so i found out there were 2 hidden bolts that create a half circle around the bearing, the bracket is so rusty it is so hard to make it out, 2 10 millimeter bolts, removed Nd the whole thing popped out in 2 seconds. I need to pay more attention to the design next time i do something like this.
May 28, 2023 at 4:26 PM
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It was a little painful putting the half-circled mount back on, so if anyone is doing this, remove the small transfer case mount and the its a piece of cake. I am surprised it fixed the issue. I don't understand how an axle can cause such binding, also at 85,000.
May 28, 2023 at 6:04 PM
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Good morning, BHAMDOC1973,

I hope you had a good Memorial Day weekend. Glad to hear you got it all fixed up! Also thank you for sharing the information on how to get it out. That will definitely help someone in the future. It is strange considering the mileage of your vehicle that it was so bad. Especially since there was no damage to the axle. Usually, the boot tears and water is able to get inside of it then causes issues like this. However, it is 11 years old, so I am sure that played a part in it. At least it was just the axle causing the issue and not the transfer case.

I hope you have a great week!

Thank you,
Brendon
May 30, 2023 at 4:46 AM