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2004 SATURN L300
85,000 MILES • 6 CYL
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FRANK9657
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Turn car on will not start unless throttle body is disconnected and cannot get error code unless it's disconnected when throttle body connected it keeps clicking replace throttle body and throttle peadal assy when I get car started no throttle response please help
Jan 9, 2016 at 7:54 AM
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SATURNTECH9
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So which engine do you have?Also with everything plugged in and you clear the codes which codes come back?
Jan 9, 2016 at 8:08 PM
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FRANK9657
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6 cylinder the code reader will not work with everything plug in only when I disconnected the throttle body I can get code
Jan 10, 2016 at 3:48 AM
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I need more details so the code reader won't power on when you plug it in?Or it says won't link?
Jan 10, 2016 at 9:03 AM
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FRANK9657
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With the throttle body connected the code reader will not connect. But if I disconnect the throttle body I get error code saying my throttle system volts are to high. I can start car with throttle body wiring disconnected.
Jan 10, 2016 at 10:21 AM
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FRANK9657
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When I change throttle body do I need a calibration
Jan 10, 2016 at 1:52 PM
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Yeah you turn the key to the run positiond not start it and let it sit like that for a min.That will learn the new throttle body.so you replaced the throttle body and gas pedal with brand new ones?With the replacement parts same thing won't start with the throttle body plugged in?then you start it unplugged then plug it in with no throttle response?If so with it running and everything plugged in can you read codes?If you can if you clear them which codes come back with everything plugged in?
Jan 10, 2016 at 4:36 PM
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FRANK9657
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I cannot read codes with everything pluged in
Jan 10, 2016 at 5:25 PM
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Read my response above please answer those questions above iam not there to see things for my self.
Jan 10, 2016 at 5:28 PM
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FRANK9657
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With new throttle body and pedal all plug I put car key to on not starting it after 5 min throttle body still clicking try to get code scanner unale to connect. Unplud throttle body start car plug throttle body back in codes I get are p0123, p1779, p0222 ,p0700 p1781 unable to clear code when turn off car will not start
Jan 12, 2016 at 3:06 PM
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When you unplug things then you set all those codes.
Jan 12, 2016 at 6:13 PM
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FRANK9657
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No codes are resetting
Jan 13, 2016 at 2:33 AM
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I thought you couldn't link to the car with everything plugged in?
Jan 14, 2016 at 7:25 PM
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FRANK9657
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Witn throttle body unplug I can read codes. I start the car then plug throttle body in I can read codes but unable to reset codes listed above is what I have what can I try.
Jan 15, 2016 at 2:49 AM
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I will have to try to look in to this I have never seen anything like this before on those cars.All the fuses are good?
Jan 15, 2016 at 6:49 AM
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FRANK9657
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I believe so do you have any ideas which fuses I should double check
Jan 15, 2016 at 6:56 AM
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FRANK9657
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Any ideas have not heard any thing in a while
Jan 23, 2016 at 10:19 AM
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Have you checked the grounds especially to the ecm?
Jan 24, 2016 at 8:17 AM
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FRANK9657
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Have not heard from you any ideas
Feb 4, 2016 at 11:14 AM
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Yes you have look above your last post?it says have you checked the grounds especially the ones for the ecm?Also do have anything inop like power door locks keyless entry gas gauge temp gauge not being able to get the shifter out of park etc?Or strange things happening?
Feb 4, 2016 at 12:16 PM
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Forgot to ask because I forgot in 2004. They made L300 with 2.2L engines also .Which engine do you have?
Feb 4, 2016 at 12:18 PM
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FRANK9657
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6 cyc and I cannot shift my car out of park and some gauges don't respond unless I unplud the throttle body and then gauges work
Feb 4, 2016 at 12:28 PM
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That sounds a lot like a bad body control module.I have seen them go bad and cause those symptoms and cause you not to able to talk to the ecm.I have never tried unplugging the throttle body to see if anything changes from doing that.I have a whole stash of old bcms for testers with the symptoms of what they doing when I changed them to see what changes when I plug them in.What you say about the gauges and not being able to get it out of park are all known things I have seen happen when bcms on those cars go bad.
Feb 4, 2016 at 1:03 PM
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FRANK9657
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Where is the BCM located how much is for a new replacement
Feb 4, 2016 at 1:08 PM
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FRANK9657
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Any way to test the bcm
Feb 4, 2016 at 2:48 PM
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The bcm is on top of the glove box you have to remove the glove box and it's attached to the glove box.I have also seen bad bcms cause no starts when the gauges etc are inop.Then when the gauges work the car starts.Bcms are close to 300 plus they have to be programmed.I have seen a repair service on eBay that is much cheaper plus it keeps all your day mileage programming etc.You mail your bcm to them and they fix it and mail it back.It was very reasonable verus buying a new one and having it programmed.As far as testing them we never tested them at the Saturn dealer we just swapped it for one of our old ones we replaced and saw if it changed the symptoms.It's very common for them to go bad that's why I asked about the symptoms.Which you mentioned the ones I asked you about.You may have more than one problem but it sounds like you have a bad bcm.
Feb 4, 2016 at 8:58 PM
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FRANK9657
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You got the info so I can mail the bcm for repair
Feb 5, 2016 at 4:45 AM
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1-866-573-2740 that's the phone number for the bcm repair service call them to talk to them about your bcm.
Feb 7, 2016 at 7:27 AM
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I found a place on line the say it sounds like the ecm not the bcm the say for 80 dollars each they and test both of them let me know which is bad and repair it for 300 that way I don't have to get them preprogrammed if I get a new one.
Feb 7, 2016 at 7:53 AM
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Here's my problem with that theory not being able to take it out of park is controlled by the bcm not pm.Also if the car will only start when the gas gauge works another symptom of a bad bcm.I have replaced tons of bcms on those cars or tons of ecms.The number I gave you the guy charges 165 to repair the bcm.Go to eBay put in the search box Saturn bcm repair it will come up .Read the listing and symptoms and then post back to me and tell me what you think.
Feb 7, 2016 at 8:00 AM
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I called the place for the bcm repair I been trying to find out were and how to remove the bcm so I can send it in any help thank
Feb 11, 2016 at 2:37 PM
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I told you where the bcm was it's mounted to the glove box insert.There are multiple philps screws on the inside of the glove box.Also take all the screws that hold the glove box door out.There is also a AC duct hooked to it if memory serves right.It's been a lot of years since I have replaced one.
Feb 11, 2016 at 9:12 PM
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ERNIE RUIZ
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I have this exact same problem. Did you guys ever come up with a solution? Was it the BCM?
Jun 23, 2019 at 11:55 AM
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It looks like they went back and fourth for a while. can I ask if you have any codes and can you hear the fuel pump run in the tank when the key is in the on position?

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Jun 24, 2019 at 1:47 PM