No spark and no fuel pump activation

2005 SATURN VUE
220,000 MILES • 2.2L • 4 CYL • 2WD • MANUAL
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SETH JAYCOX
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Hey guys, I was driving from the store and on my way home it just quit running with no warning. No noises sputtering at all. Nothing. I had it towed home and started checking the fuses on it. They are all good. As well as the relays I had switched out with one and another. Still nothing. I have replaced the crankshaft position sensor, ignition module, plugs, boots, and the over engine coil over. Still nothing. I had even taken the parts back to the store and switched them out just to make sure and replaced them and still nothing. I had checked compression and all great. Timing chain is still tight. I checked for lose wiring or broken wiring or bad grounds. I have power to the coils and also a crank signal also coming after the ignition module. When the car shut off and I got it home I pulled three trouble codes and they were injector two, three and four circuit malfunction. I hooked noid lights to all four injector wires and no current. When I test the crankshaft wiring with my test light I can hear the fuel pump kick on and get great fuel pressure. When I put the key into the ignition it is very hard sometimes to turn. Any advice would be appreciated. Thank you guys.
Aug 1, 2017 at 5:46 PM
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So you have spark, but no injector pulse? Also, have you checked to see if you have power to one of the wires to each injector with the key in the run position? Also with the key in the run position is your security light staying on solid or flashing? So you have codes p0202 p203 and code p0204? if you clear the codes do they come right back?
Aug 1, 2017 at 8:29 PM
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If the key hard to turn it is a bad ignition cylinder.
Aug 1, 2017 at 8:30 PM
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Hey guys I am so sorry that its been so long since I have replied. I had checked the wire harness and no breaks in the wiring at all. I checked all the injector connections with a noid light and nothing. When I crank it the security light does go off. I can get the injectors and fuel pump to work when I test the crank sensor wiring connector. When the key is on the on position. Its just weird I have never came across anything like this. Thanks for all the responses to this thread.
Aug 7, 2017 at 11:32 AM
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Iam confused 9n your response you say the fuel pump and injector pluse doesn't work then when you say you check the crank shaft position wiring connector it works?what exactly are you talking about?
Aug 7, 2017 at 12:28 PM
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I'm sorry, if I have the key in the run position and I hook up my test light to the crank sensor wiring connector I hear the fuel pump come on as well as the injectors come on as well. But when I take the test off of the connector the fuel pump and injectors do not work.
Aug 7, 2017 at 2:28 PM
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Have you measured the resistance of the crank sensor itself yet?
Aug 7, 2017 at 4:44 PM
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No not yet. I replaced it two times already. Is there a relearn procedure with that crank sensor? Unfortunately I do not have a scanner.
Aug 7, 2017 at 5:06 PM
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No there is no learn procedure it would have just started up.
Aug 7, 2017 at 5:16 PM
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The fuel pump only runs a few seconds when you first turn the key to run and then also when your cranking the engine over.Also the injectors pluse while cranking and briefly with the key in the run position.
Aug 7, 2017 at 5:18 PM
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SETH JAYCOX
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Correct, but something is keeping it from engaging the fuel pump and injectors. Should I to ohm the crank sensor and see what it says? Has there been issues with aftermarket crank sensors for the Saturn 2.2?
Aug 7, 2017 at 5:51 PM
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So your saying you have the brief injector pluse and fuel pump activation when first turning on the key to the run position but not while cranking with ether one while cranking?Also I have never replaced the crank sensor with a aftermarket one I have always used a factory one.I wish you had at least a little pocket code reader that would really help.
Aug 7, 2017 at 9:09 PM
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Hey I'm so sorry about all the confusion. I turn the key on to the on position and I hear nothing. But when I leave the key to the on position while I test the crank sensor wire connector then I can hear the fuel pump come on and the injectors fire up for a few seconds. I can confirm this by taking the plugs out then I can smell gas on them. I do have a basic code reader to hook up. Something has to keep the injectors, fuel pump and coils from not firing up. When I have the key on the on position I do have power going to the ignition module and coming out of the end of the module to the coils. I'm so lost with this vehicle I'm about to give up lol.
Aug 7, 2017 at 9:54 PM
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Have you checked to see what codes are setting?if so which ones?Exact code numbers not code descriptions?
Aug 8, 2017 at 8:47 AM
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Ok here we go there is 5 codes in the computer as of this morning. P201 p202 p203 p2101 p1516. I'm not for sure what the last 2 are but the first 3 are injector cericut faults I think. I hope this helps.
Aug 8, 2017 at 10:46 AM
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So if you don't unplug any sensors clear the codes and see which ones come back from trying to start it?
Aug 8, 2017 at 11:25 AM
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I did, and those are the ones that came back on. I cleared them a few days ago and those are the ones that came back. I'm sure the throttle codes are from me having my foot all the way down on the gas pedal I'm guessing.
Aug 8, 2017 at 11:47 AM
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Do you think that 3 of the four injectors could be bad? It just seems wierd
Aug 8, 2017 at 12:59 PM
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I'm sure that this is hard to diagnose this issue on the internet
Aug 8, 2017 at 7:45 PM
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There is no way three injectors failed at the same time.Try this put the key in the run position and have someone watch the throttle plate while you press the gas pedal to the floor and see if the throttle plate opens?
Aug 8, 2017 at 9:08 PM
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SETH JAYCOX
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I went out there this morning and did that and it does move.
Aug 9, 2017 at 7:44 AM
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So for sure if you clear the codes right now and see which ones come back the codes you have me are the exact current codes?
Aug 9, 2017 at 12:25 PM
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I just want to be clear on that because that's where were going to have to begin.
Aug 9, 2017 at 12:26 PM
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Ok I completely cleared the computer and had to crank it 4 to 5 times to get any codes to come back. The codes that came back were p201, p202, p203, and p2101. Man I super appreciate all the help your giving me. You guys are the best. Still no spark, no injector pulse.
Aug 9, 2017 at 1:04 PM
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We must be loosing the crank signal somewhere with no spark or injector pluse.Does your little code reader read any l8ve data like engine rpm?
Aug 9, 2017 at 1:15 PM
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Live data I ment
Aug 9, 2017 at 1:15 PM
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SETH JAYCOX
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Yes a little bit. I just went to crank it and I did see rpms go up on the code reader. So something is reading. The battery is completely dead. I have to charge it for a few. So if its showing rpms does that mean the crank sensor is working?
Aug 9, 2017 at 3:09 PM
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Yes if you see a rpm reading on your code reader the crank sensor is working.
Aug 9, 2017 at 8:06 PM
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SETH JAYCOX
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What is a good direction we can go with this?
Aug 10, 2017 at 7:52 AM
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So there is power to the injectors with the key in the run position?Also if you plug the noid light into the injector connectors the noid light didn't stay on solid?
Aug 10, 2017 at 1:00 PM
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I'm have another question. About a year ago I had to get another key made at the dealership. I put the key into the lock cylinder an its hard to turn forward sometimes. Can this effect the no start issue?
Aug 10, 2017 at 1:01 PM
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No it shouldn't as long as the key turns that's all that matters.
Aug 10, 2017 at 1:05 PM
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have put a noid light on all 4 injector wire connectors and cranked and nothing at all.
Aug 10, 2017 at 1:06 PM
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For some reason the board won't let me see your replies it seems like for a few hours idk lol.
Aug 10, 2017 at 3:42 PM
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Have you checked for power on the power wire side of each injector connector with the key in the run position?
Aug 10, 2017 at 5:22 PM
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Do you think that this is something I am going to have to take this to the dealer. I unfortunately do not have access to any wire diagrams. I'm just lost with this and hate to keep spending money on parts that o do not need. Sorry frustrated.
Aug 10, 2017 at 5:26 PM
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There is absolutely no power to the injectors with the key on the on position.
Aug 10, 2017 at 5:39 PM
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Open the underhood fuse box take a hand ratchet and see if the 7mm bolts inside the fuse box are tight?
Aug 10, 2017 at 8:27 PM
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Also check the 15amp inj fuse in the diagram I posted
Aug 10, 2017 at 9:16 PM
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The fuse is good and the 7mm screws are tight.
Aug 11, 2017 at 7:59 AM
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With the key in the run position do you have power across both sides of that fuse and to the pink wire of the ignition control module?
Aug 11, 2017 at 8:33 AM