No crank no start

2009 BMW 328
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Hello, the push button does nothing and no crank when you try to start this car..We found a relay (black 4 prong) under passenger side under glove box..we thought it was the starter relay..it is black in color and has 4 prongs. we tried to jump it to close the circuit and right after that all the headlights, brake light, interior lights, and windshield wipers turned on and wont turn off. the car was off and all these lights , even dome light stayed on. We had to disconnect the battery so it would not loose its charge.
Did we ruin the computer? Also it will not shift. the shifter will not move. car still no start and its automatic. any help appreciated.
I don't think that was a starter relay as we thought. Someone said module relay. It's square and looks like a relay.please help i will put a picture of this part on later.
The black relay we jumped was the only one of that color under the passenger glove box.i saw a video on you tube and said this is really not a relay but looks just like one. Its called a "car access module" i have no idea what it does but it looks just like a 4 prong square relay. We jumped this part to close the switch from one pin to another. That's when all the lights came on and wipers and dome lights and car would not shift (shifter would not move). Some people replace this to start car.i think we ruined something jumping this as with the car off, and after jumping this part, all the lights and wipers stay on all the time and shifter wont move. Here is the black BMW 2008 328i relay we jumped with small jumper wire, then car was possed after plugging relay back in. All lights stayed on (headlights, brake, dome lights), on with car off and automatic shifter wont move now and windshield wipers also stay on with car off?this relay is behind glove compartment passenger side. Upper right. Only black relay on fuse board. Its square and small says 30 on it on relay location Please help!
Jun 27, 2020 at 3:15 PM
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It sounds like you might have shorted out the foot well module, but we should check all fuses first. here is a guide to help to help you get started with the fuse locations and identification as well (below):

https://www.2carpros.com/articles/how-to-check-a-car-fuse

Check out the diagrams (below). Please run this test and get back to us.
Jun 29, 2020 at 10:25 AM
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Ken, I am not at the car. it's up for sale and out of town. what is the foot well module and where is it on a 328i? I don't understand where you want us to test the fuses? please explain in simple terms. Also what is that black relay under glove compartment that we tried to jump start, some say car access relay? I was going to buy this car but then we jumped that relay lights and dome lights, wipers stay on with car off. wont shift still. Please explain, go step by step. i don't understand your pics but the guy is trying to get this fixed. need to know what this relay controls? thanks, Gail

Jun 29, 2020 at 11:27 AM
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Ken, heard this is a recall. will it cause car not to shift? the guy jumped the battery under rear trunk also right before all this happened. is that bad that he didn't jump it under the hood? I heard BMW should not be jumped at battery in trunk?
Jun 29, 2020 at 2:12 PM
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RE; 2008 BMW 328i. Hi Ken, thank you for your help. I decided not to buy this car as I don't have access to work on it and it's far away in this unbearable heat. too much wrong with it and too complicated of a car for me.. I heard there was a recall on that foot-well module you were mentioning. looks like someone bought the car. thank you anyway.
Jun 30, 2020 at 5:42 AM
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Okay, sorry we could not be more help. Please use 2CarPros anytime we are here to help.
Jun 30, 2020 at 11:27 AM
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My car makes a grinding noise when I try to start it. It only does it sometimes and started in the cold weather. Does anyone know what the problem could be?
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Noises are difficult to diagnose from cyberspace. You have described what could be normal operation. What does BMW think it is?
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The car is not actually starting, it just makes a grinding noise. BMW assist is on the way right now so I don't have feedback yet.
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This could be a failed starter or a worn out ring gear.
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I have a 2000 BMW 328I. The car will not start. It just makes a clicking noise when I trun the key, yet the battery seems to have ample power. The first two times that this happened, the car fired right up after I left the power on for more than 2 minutes. Now the car will not start at all.
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Do a load test on the battery, it takes a lot of juice to crank an engine, if it's the original battery it may be past it's prime...4 year batteries are what they install at the factory.
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thanks merlin
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when i go to start the car all the guages come on, radio works, lights work, batterys fine, just wont crank, turn the key and it doesnt even sound like the starters clicking. it will start up when its somewhat cold or sometimes in the day. theres a little clutch stopper hole, i used to be able to put a pen in the whole and wobble it around and the car would start up.
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Where is this hole?
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the hole is located behind the clutch pedal. its just a metal round hole with threads, it doesnt look like its hooked into anything. I went to a dealership and it died there and the guy put a pen in the whole pushed it around and the car started right up. if you look up clutch stopper on google it will show you a picture of the hole.
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This sounds like the clutch interlock switch, it's purpose is to block the starter from working unless the clutch pedal is depressed. The under dash panel can be removed and a subsequent inspection of the switch can be performed.
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were is this switch located and what does it look like, what should i do when i come across the switch. before when it was acting up i could push the clutch all the way deep into the floor and brake pushed down all the way to and it would start. i really appreciate your advice and time.
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It is on the clutch pedal up high on the arm. Look in the under dash and see it for yourself.
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**Cranks but no start condition:

Get a helper disconnect a sparkplug wire or 2 and ground it to the engine at least 3/16 away from ground -have helper crank engine over-do you have a snapping blue spark? If so-you have a fuel related problem,Do you hear the fuel pump come On when you turn key on? If not check fuel pump fuse and fuel pump relay if so, check the fuel pressure to rule out the fuel filter/fuel pump/pressure regulator and listen to the injector/s are they pulsing or hook up a noid light. No snapping blue spark continue to troubleshoot the ignition system-power input to the coil/coil packs,coil's resistances,distributor pick-up coil, ignition control module, cam and crank sensors and computer Note: If it doesn't apply disregard it.
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we have done all of that. I guess what I needed to know is, is there anywhere I can get a wiring diagram from the computer to the coils? when we started we had fire and now that we changed the crank sensor there is no fire. They also had an aftermarket security system on it which we took off.
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Hi Ken, i need your help again.this car is still for sale. had a no crank no start. the guy tried jumping battery under the trunk. i heard you are only suppose to jump under the hood on these cars. is that correct? After he jumped to charge battery he also jumped the black 4 prong relay under passenger side glove box. it's the only black relay on that fuse panel labeled #30. we thought it was starter relay but is car access relay whatever that is. he jumped the right pins.after jumping battery and relay, all the headlights, brake lights,interior lights, dome lights and wipers stayed on with car off..also the automatic shifter would not move.

Before that it moved. So all lights staying on with car off. still didn't fix no start. you said it might be fmr module. i think BMW has a recall or under warranty... I am asking for your help again as i might buy car but you need to explain in simple terms how to check this fmr module. i am far away from car. please help.. Can you test this module? Should we disconnect those fuses so battery wont drain? Need it in simple terms you sent pics of fmr module. footwell module, but i didn't understand.
Jul 1, 2020 at 9:00 AM (Merged)
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Hi, please explain if the key has to be in the on position on this car to test the fuses..all the headlights are on, and the wipers, brake lights (with car off) and shifter wont shift(automatic) you said to check the fuses..please explain in simple terms? i know how to use a continuity meter or test light on them, but have no idea what the last pics are that you sent me..i understand the one with the fuses, but not the other components..also do you know what that black relay does that we accidentally jumped and how do you test that foot well module..also can i just pull the wiper fuse out to stop the wipers from staying on with car off??What fuse is that for the wipers ?? Guy has battery disconnected so it wont drain, so i don't know how we are gonna check power to fuses if car has to be on..does car have to be running to check the fuses..it wont start or crank..that was initial problem..thanks for all your help!!
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Hi, Hookie,

There are several different posts on this thread, so I'm not sure what you are working with. Would you copy and paste your question to a new thread? We are trying to keep the threads specific to one topic. As far as checking fuses (I don't know which you are checking), some fuses do require to have the key in the on position for them to receive power.

Please start a new thread specific to what you are working with. I will keep my eyes open for it.

Take care,
Joe
Jul 4, 2020 at 9:06 PM
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Hi Ken, I need your help again. This car is still for sale. Had a no crank no start. The guy tried jumping battery under the trunk. I heard you are only suppose to jump under the hood on these cars. Is that correct? After he jumped to charge battery he also jumped the black 4 prong relay under passenger side glove box. It's the only black relay on that fuse panel labeled #30. We thought it was starter relay but is car access relay whatever that is. He jumped the right pins. After jumping battery and relay, all the headlights, brake lights, interior lights, dome lights and wipers stayed on with car off. Also the automatic shifter would not move.

Before that it moved. So all lights staying on with car off. Still didn't fix no start. You said it might be fmr module. I am asking for your help again as I might buy car but you need to explain in simple terms how to check this FMR module. I am far away from car. Please help. Can you test this module? Should we disconnect those fuses so battery wont drain? Need it in simple terms you sent pics of fmr module. Footwell module, but I didn't understand.

also the wipers stay on with car off..what fuse can i pull to shut them off?
and also, the car does not start so how do i check the fuses..with key on position or what position and explain in simple terms thanks.
also if it wont shift out of park how can i get it towed?

i added a pic of the relay we jumped under passenger dash=black 4 prong square ..we thought it was the starter relay
Jul 6, 2020 at 10:20 AM (Merged)
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It sounds like the starter is not working. To confirm take a look at this guide:

https://www.2carpros.com/articles/starter-not-working-repair

Can you please shoot a quick video with your phone so we can see what's going on? that would be great. You can upload it here with your response.
Jul 6, 2020 at 12:39 PM
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***THE CAR IS FAR AWAY..So I cant take a video..it does NOTHINg when I pushed the start button..no nise..after jumping the battery and some relay that wasn't starter relay, ALL the CAR LIGHTS STAY ON when CAR IS OFF!!! Wipers on too and car shifter will not move after both jumps..you mentioned something about footwell..I don't understand you explaination..how do I test this ? and battery is disconnected as Headlites and all are on with car off..DO I need the key in ON position to test all fuses?? also help me out with the foot well pics u sent..thanks..i am reposting my original post below ..SCROLL DOWN..Thanks Ken

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Hello, the push button does nothing and no crank when you try to start this car. We found a relay (black 4 prong) under passenger side under glove box. We thought it was the starter relay. It is black in color and has 4 prongs. We tried to jump it to close the circuit and right after that all the headlights, brake light, interior lights, and windshield wipers turned on and wont turn off. The car was off and all these lights, even dome light stayed on. We had to disconnect the battery so it would not loose its charge.
Did we ruin the computer? Also it will not shift. The shifter will not move. Car still no start and its automatic. Any help appreciated.
I don't think that was a starter relay as we thought. Someone said module relay. It's square and looks like a relay. Please help I will put a picture of this part on later.
The black relay we jumped was the only one of that color under the passenger glove box.I saw a video on you tube and said this is really not a relay but looks just like one. Its called a "car access module" I have no idea what it does but it looks just like a 4 prong square relay. We jumped this part to close the switch from one pin to another. That's when all the lights came on and wipers and dome lights and car would not shift (shifter would not move). Some people replace this to start car.I think we ruined something jumping this as with the car off, and after jumping this part, all the lights and wipers stay on all the time and shifter wont move. Here is the black BMW 2008 328i relay we jumped with small jumper wire, then car was possed after plugging relay back in. All lights stayed on (headlights, brake, dome lights), on with car off and automatic shifter wont move now and windshield wipers also stay on with car off?This relay is behind glove compartment passenger side. Upper right. Only black relay on fuse board. Its square and small says 30 on it on relay location Please help!
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This sounds like low voltage, bad battery? lets use this guide to confirm the issue:

https://www.2carpros.com/articles/car-battery-load-test

Please run down this guide and report back.

Jul 9, 2020 at 11:50 AM