Loud popping sound when cut wheels

2012 VOLKSWAGEN BEETLE
89,766 MILES • 2.5L • 5 CYL • 2WD • AUTOMATIC
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CORY2427
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Have loud popping sound when cutting wheels and sometimes when driving.
Ball joints, both axles and both strut assembly’s been replaced. tie rod ends are fine. what could it be? rack pinion? Steers fine though doesn’t whine either.
Apr 10, 2019 at 9:25 PM
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Hello,

Usually this probably is your vehicle's CV joint. Your vehicle's CV joint is a ball and socket joint like your hip or shoulder joint. It has a rubber boot that protects it. When this boot gets compromised, dust, dirt and gravel get into the joint. Over time this debris works like sandpaper and destroys the joint. When you turn your wheel the ball rolls over itself in the now sloppy socket of the CV joint and makes a "popping noise". I have included a few links for you to go to below:

https://www.2carpros.com/articles/how-a-cv-joint-works
https://www.2carpros.com/articles/symptoms-of-a-bad-cv-axle-joint
https://www.2carpros.com/articles/replace-cv-axle

Please get back to us with what you find out from going these guides.

Thanks,
Alex
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Apr 11, 2019 at 1:06 AM
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CORY2427
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I have replaced both axles, both ball, joints both struts, so it is not that.
Apr 11, 2019 at 10:05 AM
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CORY2427
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Does no one know anything of what it could be?
Apr 12, 2019 at 6:22 PM
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Do you hear the sound more when going over a bump or pulling in and out a drive way? Try this. Have someone rock your vehicle side to side and see if you hear the popping sound. If you do, I would look for bad sway bar end links or worn sway bar bushings. If no sound then hoist the vehicle in the air and with a pry bar, pry around the engine cradle (sub frame) near the bushings to see if it pops. If you can provide an audio sound and load it here that would be great also. Let us know.

Also check the locking nuts at the tie rods. If they are loose they will make noise. And thinking about it, loose sway bar links will make It sound like the wheel is about to fall off. So make sure everything is tight.
Apr 12, 2019 at 9:48 PM
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STEVE W.
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To add on, does it make the noise turning both directions? I would also check the rear suspension. It could be a loose bushing that pops when the weight shifts as the body moves. This would be a good use of a chassis ear. Basically an amplifier and piezo microphones you attach to suspect parts. Then you listen for the noise as someone drives.
Apr 13, 2019 at 5:55 AM
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Yes and definitely not in back plain as daylight coming from front.
Apr 13, 2019 at 11:25 AM
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The sound is not from bumps just when turning deep and sometimes when driving can’t make it do it. when off ground be hard to video noise. so I’ll bout that nothing wrong with sway bar links.
Apr 13, 2019 at 11:29 AM
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I can offer two suggestions. The first is the upper strut mounts are binding. To identify that, reach over the top of a front tire and lightly wrap your fingertips over part of the coil spring. Have a helper slowly turn the steering wheel back and forth. The spring should rotate smoothly with the wheel. If the upper mount is binding, the spring will wind up and build tension, then you'll feel it snap free and rotate. This will occur when the car is standing still, and sometimes when moving slowly. At parking lot speed there is usually enough bouncing to let the mount let go and rotate freely. The second clue is these will not bind when the car is on a frame-contact hoist with the suspension hanging down. That unloads the bearings in the upper mounts and lets them rotate easily.

The second recommendation is the "Chassis Ear" Steve W. mentioned. That is a set of six microphones, a switch box, and head phones. You clip the microphones to suspect parts, then drive around while switching between them to listen where the sound is loudest. The guys who drive the tool trucks around get around $200.00 for the original version of this tool. I found it for $99.00 on eBay. There are newer versions too. One uses four wireless microphones and two with wires. One model doesn't use head phones. I don't like that because normal road noise interferes with listening closely. Be aware most mechanics have never even seen or heard of this tool. Suspension and alignment specialists use them quite often to find the causes of squeaks and rattles.
Apr 13, 2019 at 9:30 PM
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STEVE W.
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Does the car have to be in motion or will it do it setting still as well? What parts were replaced with the struts? Complete units or just the inner unit?
Try this to maybe narrow it down a bit. Jack up one front corner so the tire is just off the ground. Put a hand on the tire and have someone turn the wheel. Does it move nice and smooth and does it still pop? Now try the other side the same way. When it pops do you feel anything in the steering wheel? How about if you feel the steering shaft itself under the hood.
Apr 14, 2019 at 4:52 AM
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Yes it has to be in motion.complete strut assembly’s on both sides both CV axles on both sides both lower ball joints on both sides does not have upper ones.No don’t feel it in steering wheel when it pops always turns great.
Apr 14, 2019 at 10:05 AM
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Cannot get to steering shaft it’s buried by the motor and stuff.
Apr 14, 2019 at 10:06 AM
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STEVE W.
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Can you make a recording of the sound and post it on here? Needing to be in motion suggests it's more likely the front subframe moving around.
Apr 14, 2019 at 11:04 AM
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It’s not that old and not many miles. hardly any cars have a bad sub-frame how could that be? what is chances it would be a rack pinion could that be a issue or inner tie rod?
Apr 14, 2019 at 4:01 PM
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Can’t record it be pretty hard to do that and hear it to.
Apr 14, 2019 at 4:01 PM
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STEVE W.
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Bad rack or inner tie rod you would feel in the wheel and it would only pop while you were turning. You said it sometimes does it going straight. It's six years old, that's plenty of time for a bolt to work loose or a bushing to fail enough that things can shift around.
Apr 14, 2019 at 10:10 PM
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Could it be rack and pinion bushing or anti roll bar bushing?
Apr 15, 2019 at 8:21 AM
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Maybe loose sub-frame bolt?
Apr 15, 2019 at 8:44 AM
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STEVE W.
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That is possible and one of the items you would need to check with it on a lift. I would pry around any of the areas where the bolts are as well as the suspension points to see if there is movement that shouldn't be there.
Is the popping repeatable? Like you can get it to do it every time you turn the wheel? Does it do it when turning both directions? How far do you need to turn the wheel before it pops?
Does it also do it if you hit bumps or speed bumps?
Apr 19, 2019 at 7:18 AM
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I fixed that popping sound. it was the triple squared bolt on sub-frame no popping so far.
Apr 19, 2019 at 1:53 PM
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It was towards the control arm side bolt was loose.
Apr 19, 2019 at 1:55 PM
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STEVE W.
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That can do it. Good job. I would probably check it after a couple days, if it was loose once it could get that way again. If it does, you may want to put some loctite on it then torque it down.
Apr 19, 2019 at 4:26 PM
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I would be afraid to take the whole bolt out never get it back in probably. I called dealer and ordered two of that bolt just in case it did it again. I just replace them don’t know what there post to be torque to, but I torqued it to 110ft lbs.
Apr 20, 2019 at 1:13 AM
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STEVE W.
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The only info I can find on the subframe says they get tightened to 70 nm plus 180 degrees so about 50 ft lbs then a half a turn from that. I suspect you are in the right area at 110.

Apr 20, 2019 at 5:40 AM