Code P0171?

2009 KIA RIO
205,000 MILES • 1.4L • 4 CYL • 2WD • AUTOMATIC
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HSNDSOME
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There is a long cranking time before starting, code p0171 system too lean bank 1. I checked and found no vacuum leaks. I clean mostly all the sensors and same issue. Any help will be appreciated. Thanks.
Nov 14, 2024 at 9:46 AM
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JACOBANDNICKOLAS
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Hi,

If there are no vacuum leaks, the next thing to check is the fuel pressure. If the pump is weak, it can cause a lean fuel mixture.

Here is a link that explains how in general to check pressure:

https://www.2carpros.com/articles/how-to-check-fuel-system-pressure-and-regulator

If you look below, I attached the manufactures directions for testing specific to this vehicle. The directions include the pressure specifications.

You will need a fuel pressure gauge. Often times, a parts store will lend one to you if needed.

Let me know if this helps, if you have other questions, and what you find.

Take care,

joe

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Nov 14, 2024 at 8:11 PM
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Thanks will check and keep you posted.
Nov 15, 2024 at 12:29 AM
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Good day, the fuel pressure was low, I replaced the fuel pump and no more P0171 code after driving for a few days now.
One other thing I found since a while back gas consumption is kind of high. I service injectors, new spark plugs, throttle and idle air valve service. And other ideas.
Nov 18, 2024 at 4:09 PM
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Hi,

There is a chance the excessive fuel usage was caused by the computer trying to compensate for a lean mixture. You may find it increases now that it is running properly.

If it doesn't, make sure the coolant temperature sensor is sending the proper signal to the PCM. If it is off, it can affect the air/fuel mixture. Also, make sure the air filter is clean, and no brakes are dragging.

Let me know how things work out for you or if you have other questions.

Take care,

joe
Nov 18, 2024 at 7:12 PM
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Thanks will keep you updated.
Nov 19, 2024 at 5:35 PM
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Good day, after about a week of driving the car, gas mileage is not too good and still a few cranks before starting. I did a scan and code P0327 is showing. I inspected the wire harness, and it looks good. Could you send me testing procedure for the knock sensor?
Nov 29, 2024 at 1:02 AM
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Hi,

I attached the directions from my manual below. Note that it really isn't a test procedure of the present sensor. Instead, they indicated that you should replace it with a known good one to check. Ugh! Take a look and let me know your thoughts.

If you have a live data scan tool, you should be able to check the sensor parameters when the engine is at operating temperature.

Are you hearing any valve ping or knocking?

Take care,

Joe

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Nov 29, 2024 at 6:40 PM
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I'm hearing valve pinging, I don't have one to try, so I will replace the sensor, I cleared the code and I drove the car so will check to see if the code comes back. But will this cause long cranking to start an high gas consumption. I got 300 km on a full tank of gas.
Nov 29, 2024 at 8:36 PM
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Hi,

It could cause all that you mentioned. The sensor is used to fine-tune ignition timing to allow the engine to run more efficiently.

If you have a chance, let me know how things work out for you.

Joe
Dec 1, 2024 at 9:58 PM
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Good day, I replaced knock sensor, no more codes. Still getting a few cranks before start up.Will monitor an let you know.
Dec 13, 2024 at 7:44 PM
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Hi,

Thanks for the update. I'm glad you got it taken care of. As far as the delay starts, let me know if it worsens. We could have fuel pressure drop off causing that to happen.

Let me know. If I don't hear back from you, I wish you and your family a Merry Christmas.

Take care,

Joe
Dec 14, 2024 at 9:10 PM
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Hi, I already replaced the fuel pump, and same issue. Will double check the fuel system and see.
Dec 17, 2024 at 5:15 PM
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Hi,

If you have a leaking injector, it will cause pressure to drop off. If you have a chance, let me know what you find.

Joe
Dec 17, 2024 at 7:01 PM