rough idle and smooth idle

1999 HONDA CIVIC
106,000 MILES • 4 CYL • FWD • AUTOMATIC
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MARKAU
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My 99 Civic EX (all stock) with 106K miles and a D16Y8 engine, started rough idling 95% of the time (vibration felt through the steering wheel below 1000 RPM). It runs smooth above 1000 RPM and fuel economy is great. Occasionally the idle drops down to 500 to 600. No codes in the computer. I changed plugs/plug wires, dist.cap/rotor, air filter, set valve clearances (all were within spec already but reset them anyway), checked and set timing using an SCS connector and service manual (found it 10 degrees too far advanced, reset to 12 degrees before TDC), checked timing belt placement in relation to camshaft pulley and crank pulley, removed/disassembled/cleaned the throttle body, IAC valve, and idle adjust screw (all were dirty), and checked idle speed. I add Chevron Techron to my fuel twice a year. As a last resort I also used Gunk motor flush at last oil change. During cold weather warmup, the engine clacks or chatters. As the outside air temp has been above 65 lately, I notice smoother idling 25% more often than in winter. As a final note, as the fuel tank gets closer to empty, it takes a few more seconds of cranking before the engine will start, and it never did this the first 7 years of ownership.
May 1, 2008 at 5:40 PM
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RASMATAZ
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Check the fuel pressure fuel pump could be getting sloppy and on its way out-
May 1, 2008 at 5:58 PM
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take a looke at our vieo series for an easy and thorough way to check fuel pressure.
May 3, 2008 at 2:08 PM
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MARKAU
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I need to purchase a fuel gauge that has the correct fitting to thread into to the banjo bolt on either my fuel filter or fuel rail. I will then test and report my findings.
May 6, 2008 at 9:14 PM
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be sure to do that so that we can figure this out
May 9, 2008 at 9:32 PM
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New plugs, wires, dist cap and rotor. Engine idles fine cold or hot, in gear or park, until AC compressor comes on. Problem not noticeable until engine warms up. In Park engine hot RPM s around 800 to 900, when AC comes on RPMs drop to 400 with rough idle. In Drive at stop AC will drag idle down to where the engine feels as though it will stall if not taken out of gear, or turn off AC.

Thanks in advance for the help
Jun 1, 2020 at 1:27 PM (Merged)
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KHLOW2008
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Hi Rngr8289,

Seems to be a problem with the IAC and throttle body.

Idle rpm should be 770 with or without AC. Is the CEL showing?

I would suggest cleaning the throttle body and IAC and readjusting the idle speed.
Jun 1, 2020 at 1:27 PM (Merged)
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DOGFACESOLDIER07
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I have had an on going problem for about 2 years now. When i first start my car and start driving at about 2000 RPM or less the engine starts to stutter/stumble and act like it is going to die, but after applying a little more gas it evens out and doesn't do it again until I stop it and start the car again. I have taken it to many shops over that time and they have no clue as to what the problem could be, and after scanning my car when the engine light came on I got trouble codes for the Idle Air Control system. After troubleshooting that down to the actual IAC valve, I replaced the valve and reset my codes, but the car was still stumbling. I have performed a full tune up of my car and still it stumbles. I am at a loss of what the problem could be now, I have explained this to a few mechanics and they told me to get my engine vacuum tested, so I did that and it was fine. They also said it could be my MAP sensor, but I haven't really done anything about that because I can't apply vacuum to the sensor to test it. If you have any clue as to anything else that I should check it would be great. But like i said I'm not showing any trouble codes and my check engine light is not lit.
Jun 1, 2020 at 1:27 PM (Merged)
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KHLOW2008
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Hi dogfacesoldier07,

Disconnect the EGR vacumn line and test if the problem goes away.
Jun 1, 2020 at 1:27 PM (Merged)
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My Civic doesn't have an EGR valve, I have the D16Y7 motor with automatic tranny. Anything else I could try?
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Hi dogfacesoldier07,

You need to get onto a diagnostic with the necessary tools to check the following
1. Throttle posistion sensor.
2. fuel pressure.
3. O2 sensor.
4. spark plugs and cables.
Jun 1, 2020 at 1:27 PM (Merged)
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DOGFACESOLDIER07
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I know already that my Primary O2 Sensor is bad, I already have one on order, it should be here later this week, but in the mean time I will check the others out as well.
Jun 1, 2020 at 1:27 PM (Merged)
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My daughters 1998 Honda Civic idles very rough. It starts fine, then the RPMs increase to about 1/4 throttle. In Neutral the engine RPMs goe up and down consistently and the car "bucks" when accelerating in 1st gear. I was told possible the idle control sensor? Have not been able to get it resolved. Now the "engine" light comes on but the code says "engine sensor". Any help?
Jun 1, 2020 at 1:27 PM (Merged)
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Hi, I know this thread ended a long time ago but I happen to have the exact same symptoms on my 99 Civic DX (manual). I'd like to know if you finally solved the problem and what you found were the causes.
I think it's the O2 sensor, but I would like to know what you found.

Thanks
Jun 1, 2020 at 1:27 PM (Merged)
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KHLOW2008
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Hi srtyson,

What is the exact trouble code retrieved?

Erratic idling are usually caused by the Idle Air Control valve.
Jun 1, 2020 at 1:27 PM (Merged)
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I'm having the same problem with my 1998 Honda Civic HX. The code is P0519. It's been suggested that the Idle Control Valve be replaced, but since that part is over $200 - got any suggestions at a repair? Maybe some maintenance / cleaning that could be done before resorting to replacing the part?

Thanks!!
Jun 1, 2020 at 1:27 PM (Merged)
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Hi ~Kat,

You can try cleaning the IAC and checking if the wire connectors are clean and secure.

Actually the code could be worse news, the PCM might be fried if the IAC is shorted. Seen a few of them so replacing the IAC might not be sufficient. You should be able to get the parts cheaper from the junkyard.
Jun 1, 2020 at 1:27 PM (Merged)
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When I'm idling and the A/C button (not just fan) is on, withing a few seconds, I start hearing clicking noises from the engine corresponding to sharp drops in engine rpm (so much so that I fear a stall), but it jumps right back up and repeats. Toggling the A/C button off immediately stops this behavior, but turning it back on restarts it. This used to happen sporadically, but now happens almost all the time when idling. Thanks.
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Hi tchien69,

Was any repairs carried out prior to this happening?

What is the idling speed?

Are both cooling fans working?
Jun 1, 2020 at 1:27 PM (Merged)
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Thanks for replying. Sorry, for the late response. I'm been waiting for it to happen again so I can answer your questions more accurately, but miraculously it hasn't!?! I'm wondering if it only happens when the outside temp is above a certain level. I know the weather's been cooler in Dallas, TX since I posted (high's of mid-low 90's vs. high 90's / low 100's).

1. No repairs.

2. The markings aren't very detailed below 1 k RPM, but I'd say usu. ~0.5-0.7 k RPM.

3. In general or during the rough idles? As far as I know, they're working in general. I know the engine temp stays constantly right at the middle of the gauge with no noticeable variance once the car's warmed up regardless of outside temps.

I'll update if it happens again.
Jun 1, 2020 at 1:27 PM (Merged)
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KHLOW2008
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The symptoms described is indicative of the AC compressor cutting in and out. this could be due to low idling speed.

Possible causes for low idling speed with AC on could be the IAC. Idling speed should be 700 and if it is lower than that, cleaning the throttle body and IAC should solve the problem.
Jun 1, 2020 at 1:27 PM (Merged)
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Hello,

Ok my Honda Civic had a random miss. I replace the plugs, cap, wires, and rotor button. There is still a miss. It seems to be more prominent after the car has been sitting a while, or when it is early in the morning, or after it has rained. The code is a random misfire, and misfire in 1 and 4. Also after the car has been sitting for a while (over night) when I start it up, white smoke comes out the exhaust. I have been noticing that I loose coolant in my radiator. The overflow never goes down, but when I loose the fluid in the radiator it will overheat. I add more, and it runs fine for a couple weeks, until I need to add again.

After I get the car going and drive it for a minute or so stops missing and runs great.

What are some simple tests I can do to help me narrow down my problem?

Thanks in advance for the help.
Jun 1, 2020 at 1:28 PM (Merged)
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KHLOW2008
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Hi mphillips03,

Symptoms indicates a possible head gasket problem as you have coolant losses issues.

Get a compression test done to check if there are any variations of the cylinder pressure.
Jun 1, 2020 at 1:28 PM (Merged)
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i have a ek civic that i dropped the engine in myself. but i cant figure out why my civic is idling at 2k then after it warms up it will go from a loping idle between 15k an 2k then after it is completely warmed up it will idle fine at 1k. Now all that happens with my map sensor discon. but when i hook my map sensor up it idles at 3k consistantly. My other problem is i use a lot of gas, as much as a perfomance v8. If you have an answer please get back to me. Thank you
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Hi civicstreet,

There must be a vacumn leakage somewhere causing the high idling.

Check the Fast Idle Thermo Valve ( FITV) under the throttle body to see if the valve has worked itself loose resulting in excessive getting past the throttle body.
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My 1994 Honda Civic DS lurches when it shifts gears (automatic), and when idling it will idle normally, then slow, then return to a normal idle over and over. The car never dies, but it still worries me. What could be causing this?
Jun 1, 2020 at 1:28 PM (Merged)
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F4I_GUY
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The first step to solving your idle issue would be to service the FITV and IACV. These are both idle valves that can be removed and cleaned. This should solve your problem.
Jun 1, 2020 at 1:28 PM (Merged)
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CHITOWN CIVIC
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I have a 1994 Honda Civic EX 1.6L vtec engine with 135,000 miles. Was driving today and out of nowhere, was at a stop light and car began down shifting and shaking as if wanting to stall. Acceleration VERY sluggish. All fluids fine, checked plug wires and plugs and they are fine. Is this a timing issue? Please help - thanks!
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BRUCE HUNT
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Check out the EGR vavle. Sometimes they need to be pulled and cleaned. While under that area check the PCV valve too. Shaking that to see if the ball inside moves back and forth will help determine if it is still good. Movement of the ball indicates that it is ok.
Jun 1, 2020 at 1:28 PM (Merged)
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CHITOWN CIVIC
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Thanks. I will check those and get back with results.
Jun 1, 2020 at 1:28 PM (Merged)
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CHITOWN CIVIC
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I asked another mechanic about my problem and he suggested to check the wires leading to the fuel injectors. How do I access those?
Jun 1, 2020 at 1:28 PM (Merged)
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My '93 Honda Civic idles rough and sounds like I am revving the engine every time I try to accelerate. It was low on oil so we put more in, however we don't seem to notice a difference. I am not sure what else I can try before I take it to a mechanic, so I am open to suggestions.
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KHLOW2008
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Hi Ceace,

The erratic idling could be due to a vacuum leak here are to guides to help us fix it.

https://www.2carpros.com/articles/how-to-use-an-engine-vacuum-gauge

and

https://www.2carpros.com/articles/engine-misfires-or-runs-rough

Please run down these guides and report back.

Jun 1, 2020 at 1:28 PM (Merged)
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CEACE
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I found a vacuum leak and it is way better. I don't know if I would call the idling erratic. It sounds like the engine revs, just like when I accelerate. Could these be related to the same thing? They did appear at the same time.
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If the idling speed is moving up and down, it is commonly known as surging.

This is due to idling speed being too high and can be caused by :

1. Faulty Idle Air Control (IAC) valve.
2. Idling speed adjusted too high.
3. Faulty Fast Idle Thermo Valve (FITV). Check coolant hoses for clogging.
4. Vacumn leakages. Check the PCV valve.
5. Low coolant level.
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Car runs great 168k miles. sometimes it will lose rpm at idle then accellerate and lose rpm, strong fuel smell from exhaust. Turn the car off or drive it and it goes away. Doesn't happen all the time only about 5% of the time.
Jun 1, 2020 at 1:29 PM (Merged)
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BRUCE HUNT
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Check for vacuum lines for leaks, check coolant level, bleed the coolant to remove any air.
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[quote:ee51360be4="Bruce Hunt"]Check for vacuum lines for leaks, check coolant level, bleed the coolant to remove any air.[/quote:ee51360be4]

Bleeding the air froim the cooling system must have done it, thanks
Jun 1, 2020 at 1:29 PM (Merged)
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I have the same car 91 Civic Hatch, but with 114k on it. It has the same problem but it seems to do it all the time. I think its burning oil. I pulled the plugs and they had oil on them. The car also smokes white from the exhaust and there is dirt coming from the exhaust openings. When I pull the third plug it seems to idle fine, It could be a number of things. Where do I start?
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