Engine misfire

2001 HYUNDAI SANTA FE
310,000 MILES • 2.7L • V6 • 2WD • AUTOMATIC
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Have a miss, #4 injector plug pulled, no change., replaced injector, no change. mass air flow sensor plug pulled, no change. code reader shows mass air flow sensor at 0 volts, replaced mass air flow sensor, no change. MAF plug shows 12 volts at 1 pin, 0 at other 2 pins. Temperature coolant sensor shows fault code.
Nov 21, 2020 at 11:49 AM
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Good afternoon,

If you have a misfire on number 4, you need to do some testing.

https://www.2carpros.com/articles/engine-misfires-or-runs-rough

Check for power to the injector. You should have 12 volts with the key on.

Check the compression as well. Low compression will cause this.

https://www.2carpros.com/articles/how-to-test-engine-compression

Do you have spark at the plug?

https://www.2carpros.com/articles/how-to-test-an-ignition-system

I attached a wiring diagram of the injectors for you as well.

https://www.2carpros.com/articles/how-to-check-wiring

Roy

Nov 21, 2020 at 12:48 PM
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12.2 and 3.8 volts #4 connector, good spark and compression on #4. Any thoughts about the MAF and coolant temperature sensors? Thanks for your help.
Nov 21, 2020 at 3:07 PM
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You should have battery voltage on one side and 0 on the other with it disconnected.

With the key on and the connector attached, you should have battery voltage on both sides.

No to the other sensors. If they were an issue, it would affect all cylinders.

Roy

Nov 21, 2020 at 3:11 PM
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Any ideas on why I'm getting 12.2 and 3.8 disconnected?
Nov 21, 2020 at 3:31 PM
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12.2 is good but the 3.8 is not.

What about the other check I suggested?

Roy
Nov 21, 2020 at 3:32 PM
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I'll have to get to it tomorrow. Dark now here. Thanks for your help.
Nov 21, 2020 at 4:13 PM
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You are welcome.

Keep me updated.

Always glad to help.

Roy
Nov 21, 2020 at 4:25 PM
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#2,#4,#6 injector connectors all read 12.2 and 3.8 with key on?
Nov 22, 2020 at 7:36 AM
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Is that disconnected? Or is that with the injector connected?

Roy

Nov 22, 2020 at 8:08 AM
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That's with all disconnected. I found an ECU fuse on the engine fuse block that was 12V on one leg and 0 on the other. Replaced it and now #4 is firing. Running better, but still not a great idle in drive. Tries to cut off. Could the other trouble codes be at fault? MAF and coolant temperature sensors?
Nov 22, 2020 at 10:36 AM
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What other codes? There were no codes listed in your question.

https://www.2carpros.com/articles/checking-a-service-engine-soon-or-check-engine-light-on-or-flashing

Roy
Nov 22, 2020 at 10:45 AM
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Mass air flow sensor shows 0 volts on a SnapOn engine analyzer, along with a coolant temperature sensor. I replaced the MAF sensor and still no change in idle with plugged in or unplugged.
Nov 22, 2020 at 12:32 PM
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Please tell me the codes.

Did you check the compression and fuel pressure as I suggested?

Roy
Nov 22, 2020 at 12:42 PM
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I went to a guy I know who has a speed shop to use his scanner, will have to get to a auto parts store to get scanned. Drove vehicle 500 miles last week. #6 cylinder now missing. No effect when I pulled injector wire or spark plug wire. Have spark though. All ECU fuses are 12 v on both legs. Gas mileage is of course way down. Any thoughts appreciated.
Nov 28, 2020 at 8:41 AM
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As I suggested, check the compression and let me know the results.

https://www.2carpros.com/articles/how-to-test-engine-compression

Roy
Nov 28, 2020 at 10:00 AM
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Compression on 2,4, and 6 are all around 200.
Nov 28, 2020 at 10:26 AM
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Okay, put your voltmeter in the connector for the injector. Red lead to the power side of the injector and black to the other terminal. Tell me the volts with the key on.

Roy
Nov 28, 2020 at 10:32 AM
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0 volts at 2,4, and 6.
Nov 28, 2020 at 6:13 PM
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Any thought about the 0 volts reading? Get 12 on 1 pin 3.8 on the other with ground lead on negative battery, but 0 on both injector pins, also reversed get 0.
Nov 29, 2020 at 9:05 AM
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Did it read 0.00 or did it read nothing at all?

Roy
Nov 29, 2020 at 12:56 PM
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0.00.
Nov 29, 2020 at 2:44 PM
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That indicates the 2 wires you are testing are shorted together.

Inspect the harness carefully for any damage.

Roy

Nov 29, 2020 at 2:49 PM
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With engine running, dmm connected to #6 injector connector, i am getting voltage readings?
Nov 30, 2020 at 4:24 AM
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I suggested doing the test with the key on engine off.

With it running, you will not and cannot see the ECM grounding the return wire.

Roy
Nov 30, 2020 at 4:57 AM
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Also did that. I'm getting 0.00 on #2, #4, and #6 injector connectors with key to on (not running). Any ideas? #2 and #4 are working, #6 is not?
Nov 30, 2020 at 9:36 AM
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Put the black lead on a good machine ground and make sure you have 12 volts to the injector.

Roy
Nov 30, 2020 at 11:14 AM
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Have 12 volts on 1 pin, 3.8 on the other pin of injector #6 connector with dmm black lead to ground.
Dec 1, 2020 at 5:44 PM
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Okay, I would get a noid light and put it on the connector and crank the engine and see if it flashes while cranking.

You can rent one at a parts store.

Roy
Dec 2, 2020 at 2:16 AM
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Noid light shows #6 is firing.
Dec 4, 2020 at 2:50 PM
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Did you replace the injector? If the compression is good then it could be a bad injector.

https://www.2carpros.com/articles/how-to-replace-a-fuel-injector

Roy

REMOVAL
1. Release residual pressure from the fuel line to prevent fuel from spilling.

CAUTION: Cover the hose connection with rags to prevent splashing of fuel from residual pressure in the fuel line.


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2. Remove the delivery pipe with the fuel injector and pressure regulator.

INSTALLATION
1. Install a new grommet and O-ring to the injector.
2. Apply a coating of solvent, spindle oil or gasoline to the injector O-ring.
3. While turning the injector left and right, install it onto the delivery pipe.


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4. Be sure the injector turns smoothly.

NOTE: If injector does not turn smoothly, the O-ring may be jammed. Remove the injector and re-insert it into the delivery pipe and recheck.
Dec 4, 2020 at 2:56 PM