running lights do not work?

2008 FORD F-150
10,200 MILES • V8 • 4WD • AUTOMATIC
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ROBERT A MEYER
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We have pulled several trailers over the last year and a half with no problems. Now the running lights do not work. The turn signals and brake lights work fine. Where do I start looking for the problem?
Sep 25, 2010 at 9:46 AM
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KHLOW2008
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Hi Robert ,

It sounds like it could be the headlight switch but to be sure lets check the fuses and run down this guide to get started.

https://www.2carpros.com/articles/no-tail-lights-exterior-running-lights-tail-lights-out

Here are the running light wiring diagrams so you can see how the system works. Check out the diagrams (Below). Please run this test and get back to us.


Sep 25, 2010 at 11:30 AM
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ROBERT A MEYER
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Yes, it was fuse #6 fixed it, thanks for your help and the guidance.
Sep 27, 2010 at 8:19 AM
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KHLOW2008
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Nice work, we are here to help, please use 2CarPros anytime.
Sep 27, 2010 at 2:47 PM
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OFARRENM
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When I turn on my headlights, my taillights do not come on. All other lights work as they should. My turn signals to the front and rear work, my hazard lights work, my back up lights work, and my dash lights work. When I turn on the daytime running lights(one click to left from off position), my taillights work, but I have no dash lights. I have checked the switch, fuses, relays. I have changed both bulbs to the rear. I am suspecting a possible bad ground somewhere but have no idea where to locate the grounds. Any help would be appreciated.
Thank you.
Jul 28, 2020 at 12:15 PM (Merged)
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ASEMASTER6371
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Good morning.

The rear tail lights are controlled by the BCM. It looks for a command from the headlight switch to the BCM. once that is sent it will turn on the rear lights.

You need a scan tool that can read live data from the BCM. You need to verify a signal is being sent to the BCM from the headlight switch and that the BCM is seeing it and sending commands to the rear lights.

Roy
Jul 28, 2020 at 12:15 PM (Merged)
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HOTROD FORD
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have no tail lights,dash lights
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JACOBANDNICKOLAS
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Both are powered through the headlight switch. Have you checked that?
Jul 28, 2020 at 12:15 PM (Merged)
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DUTCHLADY
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tail lights have stopped working. All fuses and lamps have been checked. Electrical circuits have been tested and are checking out fine. Light switch has been pulled and tested. Where do I go from here? It seems as if everything is in working order, but no tail lights.
Jul 28, 2020 at 12:15 PM (Merged)
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JDL
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It sounds like the parking light relay is not working but to be sure are two guides and the tail light wiring diagrams to see where you are losing power.

https://www.2carpros.com/articles/how-to-use-a-test-light-circuit-tester

and

https://www.2carpros.com/articles/how-to-check-an-electrical-relay-and-wiring-control-circuit

Check out the diagrams (Below). Please let us know what you find.

Cheers
Jul 28, 2020 at 12:15 PM (Merged)
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DRCRANKNWRENCH
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Have you tested the sockets themselves?
Even if they test hot, they cand still get worn out to where they don.t make good contact with the bulb?
Do you have 1157 or 3157 bulba? reason being the 1157 more prone to fail in regards to not making goood contact with the bulb. Reason being that the bottom plate has a spring behind it that can get weak over time and the contacts themselves can wear down.
The newer 3157, push in straight style, can stiil have the same issues, but less likley.
So, if the sockets are hot when you test them, they might still need replacement. If there is corrosion, you can try WD-40 and let it soak over night and then clean it out. Also, the eraser end of a pencil is good to clean off contacts even if they do not appear corroded as there is a type of corrosion, I forget what it is called, that is hard to see but will create resistance and the eraser will get rid of it.

One last thought, if you happen to be using an LED as an upgrade, sometimes they will have issues and end up being dimmer or not work because a diode does not work well with high amp changes. They usually need a box that handles this problem. They will not dim, blink or get brighter without it.

I hope this helps.
Let me know if you need anything else and I will keep an eye on this post and respond ASAP,
Jul 28, 2020 at 12:15 PM (Merged)
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DUTCHLADY
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Okay here are the answers to the questions.

Voltage tester was used. No the license plate lights do no work. All electrical circuits are complete.

Lights are NOT automatic.

Sockets were tested. Bulbs are 3157.

Everything done so far shows the lights should work. AARGH. It is so frustrating.
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JDL
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Do you have voltage at the brown wire, headlamp switch turned on?
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DUTCHLADY
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Yes there is voltage at the switch. Switch was taken out and tested.
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JDL
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I'm talking about at the rear lites, not the switch?
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DUTCHLADY
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It was the relay thanks for he guides and helping me I love this stie all for free god bless you guys.
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Glad you could get it fixed, that kind of problem can be tough. Please use 2CarPros anytime we are here to help

Cheers
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JULIORAMIREZ
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I've checked the fuses every in my truck four door 2001 f150 my brake lights work but now my automatic ones. I think I might have to rewire them. Do you have any idea what it could be?
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NOHJ
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I found multifunction switch connector ot have an issue . The wires had come out of the connector. This was one problem. Replaced the connector. Now have stop and turn signal lights. Had problem with reverse lights. Connector near spare tire had issue. Wired around the connector now have reverse lights.
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Great addition to this thread! Please feel free to help out whenever you are on the site :)

Cheers, Ken
Jul 28, 2020 at 12:15 PM (Merged)
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NOHJ
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Now I have problem with tail light. I have front amber running lights. Do not have tail light. Talked to auto electrician. He said,"The power distribution box in right side engine compartment has possible failure. Find the tail light wire in distribution box. Put battery volts to the wire. If the tail light lights up then that is the problem.". He told me the distribution box is made up of several layers of connections. The connectors between the layers fail. The fuse test will always show volts. I would like to know correct wire color is for my 2000 F-150 xlt 4.2l. I think it is brown white tracer.
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It sounds more like a hazard switch that is out. Here is the wiring diagram and a guide to help you do some testing so you can get the problem fixed.

https://www.2carpros.com/articles/how-to-use-a-test-light-circuit-tester

Here are the blinker light wiring diagrams and you can see there is no PDC in the circuit except for the fuses.

Please let us know what happens.

Cheers, Ken
Jul 28, 2020 at 12:15 PM (Merged)
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LENNY HAYES
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1991 Ford F150, headlights, brake lights and turn signals all work fine but no front or rear running lights (tail lights). I've checked the fuse and it has power to both sides. Could this problem be related to the trailer hitch wiring? Not sure but the problem SEEMS to have started when the trailer was plugged in bacwards.
I'm stuck! Any suggestions.
Jul 28, 2020 at 12:16 PM (Merged)
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NOS
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pull the switch out of the dash or at least get where you can look at the wires Ok find the brown it may not be hard to spot it will be the burnd up looking one take a test light and turn the switch on test lite the brown wire if you have no light pull the plug out of the switch i bet you will find it melted. the wire is not heavy enough to hold the load of the truck and the trailer. and if trailer was wired wrong it feed power to ground and burned the wire up. the brown wire is the whole key from front to back .(NOS)
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When you turn on the head lights the tail lights won't come on I replaced the switch because it smelled like it was burning . But it hasn't fixed the problem, if you play with the switch sometimes you can get both to work.
Jul 28, 2020 at 12:17 PM (Merged)
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ASEMASTER6371
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i would suspect burned connectore on the headlight switch

Roy
Jul 28, 2020 at 12:17 PM (Merged)
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TYHACKBARTH
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Thats why I got a new switch but it hasn't fixed the problem
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ASEMASTER6371
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the connector does not come with the switch. it is part of the main wire harness. check all connections inside and look for burnt ends

Roy
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TSTALL
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My 1993 F150 has 68,000 miles. Both tail lights are out, but the turn signals and brake lights still operate. I have replaced the lights, but the tail lights still remain out. What else can I check?
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Look under your dash at the brake pedal. thier is a switch the controls the loghts. It has two wire connected to it. A small plunger contacts the pedal and when the brake is released, completes the ciruit for the brake lights. Have someone watch you brake lights and push the switch plunger in and out. Sorry, not a great photo. Hope this helps


https://www.2carpros.com/forum/automotive_pictures/117694_Brake_light_switchsumm1_1.jpg

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