My 4wd will not engage why?

1999 DODGE RAM
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DPAIK
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The 4wd won't engage. The indicator light on the dash does not come on. I serviced the front drive shaft last summer and test drove it after installation and it worked then.
Nov 30, 2008 at 7:08 PM
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JACOBANDNICKOLAS
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Hi:
I need you to check the linkage to the transfer case to make sure it's working properly. Also, check all vacumn lines to and from the transfer case, axle...
Dec 9, 2008 at 9:33 AM
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DPAIK
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The linkage seems fine. When I put the lever in the 4hi position and give some gas, I can feel the lever move/vibrate. The vacuum line appear okay. There is one large line coming from the front actuator which appears to have been cut and wire-tied with an open end. BTW my 4wd has worked in the past with everything the way it is now. Thanks.
Dec 9, 2008 at 12:58 PM
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JACOBANDNICKOLAS
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Check to see if there is vacuum at the cut hose. If so, replace it.
Dec 9, 2008 at 1:21 PM
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I have a 4x4 ram and just had the transmission rebuilt. I didn't notice till winter driving that when I try to shift into 4 wheel drive high on the floor it won't budge. I doesn't grind or try to shift it dead heads. I can stop and shift into 4 low fine. But on the go it won't go into 4 high?
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I would go back to the tranny installer and see if the misadjusted anything. The only thing you can do without disassembly is adjust the shift linkage. Here's how:
SHIFT LINKAGE 1. Move shift lever to 2H position. Raise and support vehicle. Loosen shift rod lock bolt at trunnion on linkage. Ensure shift rod does not bind in linkage trunnion. Re-check that transfer case shift lever is in 2H position (second position from full forward). 2. Lower vehicle. Position shift lever in cab so distance from instrument panel to 2H position dot in shift lever insert in 5.75" (146 mm). Ensure measurement is made parallel to floor of vehicle. Tighten shift rod lock bolt to 90 INCH lbs. (10 N.m). Check shift and linkage operation in all ranges. Readjust as needed.
WILL NOT SHIFT OR DIFFICULT TO SHIFT INTO GEAR Vehicle speed too high; slow vehicle and attempt shift. Vehicle has been operated in 4H mode too long on dry surface; stop vehicle, place transfer case in Neutral to relieve driveline preload torque. Ensure transfer case external linkage is not binding. Ensure correct fluid is used. Internal parts may be worn or damaged.
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The transfer case has 2 vacuum tubes coming out of the side going to the front hub locker and there is no vacuum going to either of them and they are cut off at the transfer case. the key on the top of the case only has vacuum going to one of the tubes no matter whether it is in 2 or 4 wheel drive. What i am getting at is the truck does shift into 4 wheel drive but the light on the dash does not come on and it shifts with the transfer case but the front wheels dont turn and there is no vacuum going to the slider at all, before all this was happening the 4x4 light was blinking randomly but it would stop if i hit the brake or slowed down. If you have any diagrams it would help alot or anything if you've seen this before at all, im a mechanic but i cant figure this out
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Heres the vacuum diagram for the t-case controls.Be sure it is all hooked up properly


https://www.2carpros.com/forum/automotive_pictures/1639_dodge1_2.jpg

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It did work before. When I put it 4Hi or 4Lo then 4x4 light will come saying that it is engaged but it is not. I have replaced the front axle actuator and housing that has the sleeve that connects my front drive axles when in 4WD. I have checked the vacuum for both 2WD and 4WD and it is around 19 inch Hg. Like I said when I put it in 4WD the actuator does slide over and active the engage light and I have removed it twice to make sure that the fork and sleeve are lined up correctly. I am at a loss now and could really use a idea. Thanks.
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Hello,

It sounds like the shift fork bushings have worn not moving the fork completely. here is an exploded diagram so you can see what I am talking about. I would see if you can manually move the shift arms to see if you can get it to work. Check out the diagrams (below). Please let us know what you find. We are interested to see what it is.

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Thanks so much for the insight, much appreciate it. That does make sense. Just to be clear, are we talking about the mode fork, part number 49 or the range fork, part number 53 in the first image, 231 transfer case? I would guess the mode fork but want to be sure. I will tearing it apart this weekend and will let you know the results. Thanks again.
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When you have it apart look at both forks I would replace all plastic ride retainers if they look worn or brittle. Can you please shoot a quick video with your phone so we can see what's going on, that would be great. You can upload it here with your response.
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I have a 1998 dodge ram 1500 4x4. Has 5.2 in it automatic.the 4wd isn't working but the front drive shaft spins. Also, it don't seem to have the power it should. I've replaced the plugs, cap,and button and its still the same. It seems to miss bad when it goes uphill.
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Is the light indicating at 4WD? Scan the TCM/Computer for code/s if any present post them-

Check vacuum at axle shift motor

AXLE SHIFT MOTOR FUNCTIONAL TEST
Raise and support the vehicle. Disconnect the vacuum harness from the axle shift motor and connect a vacuum pump to the vacuum shift motor front port. See Fig. 2 .
Apply 15 in. Hg (51 kPa) of vacuum to the front port and rotate left front wheel to fully disengage the inner and intermediate axle shafts (i.e., shift to two-wheel drive operation).
The shift motor should maintain the vacuum applied to the front port for a minimum of 30 seconds. If the motor does not maintain the vacuum, replace it. If the motor does maintain the vacuum, proceed to the next step.
Disconnect the vacuum pump from the vacuum shift motor front port. Connect the vacuum pump to the vacuum shift motor rear port, cap the port for the 4WD indicator lamp switch, apply 15 in. Hg (51 kPa) of vacuum to the rear port.
The shift motor should maintain the vacuum applied to the rear port for a minimum of 30 seconds. If the shift motor does not maintain the vacuum, replace it. See AXLE SHIFT MOTOR under REMOVAL & INSTALLATION. If the motor does maintain the vacuum, proceed to the next step.
Remove the cap from the port for the 4WD indicator lamp switch. If vacuum was present, the shift motor is functioning normally. If vacuum was not present, go to next step.
Apply 15 in. Hg (51 kPa) of vacuum to the shift motor rear port. Rotate the left front wheel as necessary and ensure that the inner and intermediate axle shafts are completely engaged. The axles must be completely engaged (i.e., shifted to 4WD operation) to open the port for the 4WD indicator lamp switch.
Determine if vacuum is present at the port for the 4WD indicator lamp switch again. If vacuum was present at the port, the shift motor is functioning normally. If vacuum was not present at the port, replace the shift motor. See AXLE SHIFT MOTOR under REMOVAL & INSTALLATION.
Connect the vacuum harness to the shift motor. See VACUUM HOSE ROUTING . Remove the supports and lower the vehicle.



May 11, 2021 at 12:28 PM (Merged)
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KEVIN228670
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The 4wd light does not come on.
May 11, 2021 at 12:28 PM (Merged)
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Not sure exactly how to put the truck into 4 high....do I stop and put it in park then put it in 4 wheel drive....put it in neutral then in 4 wheel drive and then back it up a bit to kick it in or do I do this while driving? Also when it is in 4 wheen drive it makes a little quiet humming noise...is that normal and sometimes when I turn the wheel when its in 4 wheel drive the truck will hop.....does that mean it isn't all the way in?
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You should have shift on the fly 4wd. That means you can shift into 4wd when you are moving at a slower speed. You can take it out of 4wd the same way.

As far as the noise, that is normal. You hear the transfer case and the front differential being engaged. Nothing to worry about.

Now for the hop you experience. DO NOT USE 4wd on a dry surface where the tires can get good traction. If you do, the steering will fight you, it will hop, and eventually cause damage to the 4wd system. Only use it when the conditions justify it such as snow, ice, mud, any condition that would allow the tires to spin.

Let me know if you have other specific questions.

joe
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MICHAEL BALLARD
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No light on dash and four wheel drive won't engage. shifts thru 2hi to 4hi to 4lo okay will not engage.
May 11, 2021 at 12:29 PM (Merged)
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Hi and thanks for using 2CarPros.

Most often, the shift linkage between the shifter and the transfer case either comes apart or comes loose and goes out of adjustment. That is where I would recommend you start.

Park on a level surface, place the parking brake on, place the vehicle in park, and block the wheels so the vehicle can't move. Craw under the vehicle and locate the transfer case. Locate the linkage (see picture 1) and conform that it hasn't come disconnected on either end (held in with a plastic clip on both ends) and make sure the adjuster bolt didn't come loose allowing the linkage to move without changing the transfer case shift lever.

If you find the linkage has come off, you can purchase just the plastic clips or you can purchase the entire linkage aftermarket.

Here are the adjustment directions:

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ADJUSTMENTS
1. Move shift lever into 2H position.
2. Raise vehicle.

3. Loosen shift rod lock bolt at trunnion.
4. Check shift rod fit in trunnion. Be sure rod does not bind in trunnion.

5. Verify that transfer case shift lever is in 2H position.
6. Tighten shift rod lock bolt to 10 Nm (90 inch lbs.) torque.
7. Lower vehicle.
8. Check shift linkage operation. Be sure transfer case shifts into and operates properly in all ranges.

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Let me know if this helps or if you have other questions.

Take care,
Joe



May 11, 2021 at 12:29 PM (Merged)
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i have a problem with my 4 Wheel Drive engaging and disengaging. It also seems like with the front end binds up and pops while turning. when im driving the front end binds on a snowy road and it sounds like theirs a popping noise coming from the front end too. the 4 wheel drive takes a very long time to engage to and disengage i dont know why it does. can you please help with these problems? From the ring and pinon to the driver side. And yes I have checked everything and replaced
all of the tierods.
May 11, 2021 at 12:31 PM (Merged)
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the transfer case actuator motor should fix the problem here is a diagram below to show you how to replace it.
May 11, 2021 at 12:31 PM (Merged)
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Hi, I own a 1997 Dodge Ram 1500 W/ a 5.9l 360 and a dana 44 axle. My problem is the 4 Wheel drive will not engage, the transfer case engages and the front drive shaft spins but the wheels do not. i just replaced my actuator or "automatic vacuum shifter" cause all the signs pointed to this. it did not seem to work i still do not have 4 Wheel Drive. the only other thing me or anyone i know can come up with is somehow the vacuum lines are plugged with mud or something any suggestions??
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Yes the vacuum lines could be a problem. It may not be getting any vacuum from the engine. Also, is there a vacuum resivour (black plastic ball) under the truck? Make sure vacuum is getting to it too. Does the truck still have the small hard plastic vacuum lines that regular hose plug into? If so, check in the engine compartment. Many times I've seen the plastic melt near manifold or crack.


Let me know what you find.

Joe
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ok, ill check that out. thanks for the tip
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DODGEFAN2008
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4 wheel drive is fixed, the line was plugged like originally thought and was not getting vaccum. thanks for your help.
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Why should I shift my truck into neutral before engaging the 4 wheel drive? The other day I accidently shifted into 4 wheel drive without being in neutral. In this case should I be worried if I tore something up in my truck?
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Actually, I believe the vehicle has shift on the fly 4wd. Basically you can go from 2wd to 4wd while moving. However, you must stop and put the vehicle in park or neutral (I can't remember) when shifting to 4wd lo range.

When you shifted it to 4 hi, did it make a noise (grinding)?

Let me know.
Joe
May 11, 2021 at 12:32 PM (Merged)
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what happened was I tried to shift the truck in 4 lo and then when I shifted to drive the light never came on. without shifting the truck back into neutral i pulled the 4 wheel drive lever to make sure it was in 4 lo and then when i gave it a tug it proceeded to shift into 4 lo while my truck was still in drive. While I was stopped, my truck was still in drive when i shifted into 4 lo and it didnt make any noises really except I heard the 4 lo engage as normal. The only time it has ever made a grinding sound was another incident when I was trying to shift out of 4 lo it grinded but i was stopped and my truck was in neutral at that point in time. Im just paranoid i guess because I just bought the truck and i dont want to tear anything up in it. Im sorry if the way i am explaining the situation is confusing but I cant figure out how to put it in words.
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Actually I understand very clearly. What you did shouldn't hurt anything. As far as the grinding you heard in the past, come to a complete stop, place the vehicle in park and then shift from 4lo to high range. Placing it in park will prevent the transmission from spining when you hit neutral on the transfer case. Therefore it shouldn't grind for you.

Again, you didn't do anything wrong. It will be fine.

Let me know if you have other questions.

Joe
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Thanks for all your help involving the 4 wheel drive. I do have one more question. The other day I noticed sort of a squeaking or more of a creaking sound in the front end when I was turning the wheel. I also felt it pulling in the steering wheel while I was making a turn. What could cause this?
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It could be a few things. First, make sure the ball joints are properly greased. Also, check the sway bar bushings to make sure they are not dried out or cracked.

Let me know what you find.

Joe
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Although I havent had the parts you mentioned looked at, I did check the power steering fluid level and it was way low. I think this might be the problem but if the fluid was low would that cause it to do what it is doing?
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Okay, so I just purchased the truck listed above 1500 SLT. We did a test drive around a few blocks and everything seemed fine so I bought it. Rookie mistake, I did not take it on the highway. Later I did just that and found it to be shaking and not wanting to get up to speed without shaking more. After I get where I am going I notice a small leak coming from the transfer case. Then I start really questioning the fact that I just picked it up for $2,000.00 and now I think I am seeing why. It is stuck in four wheel drive, it does not even try to engage two wheel drive. Also, on a whim I just looked up the transfer case model (233c) and find that it is for a Chevrolet according to Google, and to top the cake it appears that a liquid gasket was used and that is why it is leaking now.
Will this transfer case actually work for my truck and just needs a real gasket? Or do I need to find another transfer case? I do not have too much money and currently laid off until work starts backup after the holidays so hopefully someone has a easy answer that is not dreadfully expensive. I am not going to hold my hopes up too much for the cheap solution but cannot hurt to have a glimmer, lol.
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It would cause a noise. Not a creaking but rather a screaching.
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Here are few pictures of what I am talking about, hope it is of more help.
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Let me put some of your fears to rest. A Chevrolet transfer case will not bolt up to a Chrysler transmission. The mounts are different too. The round label shows "New Process". That is actually the name of the company that manufactured the transfer case. They make parts for a number of car and truck manufacturers, so it is not uncommon to find internal parts that interchange from one vehicle to another.

As a point of interest, GM manufacturers roughly 80 percent of the parts they use in their vehicles, and they often sell them to other manufacturers. A good example is the MAP sensor and automatic idle speed motor used on your truck. Those come from GM. Chrysler, on the other hand, buys about 80 percent of the parts they use and they make the other 20 percent. They can shop for the best price, and when one supplier cannot keep up production or has a quality problem, they can go to a different supplier. That is why we used to find three or four different manufacturers for half shafts on 1980's front-wheel-drive cars. The shafts from any of the suppliers interchanged on the cars, but parts to repair a half shaft were different. A lot of rear drum brake parts are the same too between GM and Chrysler. Chrysler's turn signal switches in the mid 1990's had three part numbers printed on them. One was Chrysler's, one was Toyota's, and one was for someone else.

The liquid gasket you found could be original. RTV, (room-temperature vulcanizing) sealants have been around since at least the mid 1980's. It was first used on rear differential covers. Now you will find it on engine oil pans, transmission pans and rear covers, and valve covers. The problem with cork or fiber gaskets is that too many of us think that if tight is good, tighter is better. In fact, over-tightening pan bolts often leads to splitting the new gasket, and a leak.

Chrysler has two RTV gasket sealers that I am very familiar with. The first one is black. It cures a little more rubbery and is pretty easy to scrape off, but it has one major problem. It will not bond and seal through a film of oil or transmission fluid. Both sealing surfaces must be perfectly clean and dry. This is a problem for do-it-yourselfers with the older A604 front-wheel-drive four-speed transmissions in cars and minivans. When you do a fluid and filter change, fluid will still be running out of one area even if you let it sit overnight or for 24 hours. My coworkers each had their own preferred method of overcoming that, but my favorite was to reach up into a little well and splash my finger around to get the fluid out. After that, it takes a good minute for that well to fill up again before the fluid runs over and resumes running down onto the flange. I had the pan cleaned up already, and the bead of sealant applied. That extra one minute was plenty of time to spray the flange clean again with Brake Parts Cleaner, wipe it off, and slap the pan in place and get the bolts started. Typing that explanation takes a real lot more time than actually doing the job. The point is, that black sealant works just fine as long as both surfaces are clean and dry.

Chrysler also has a gray sealant that will bond and seal through a light film of oil or transmission fluid, but you still want to try to have dry surfaces. If you happen to overlook a little fluid running onto a sealing surface, you most likely will not have a leak with this gray sealer. It does cure a little harder, and it takes more elbow grease to scrape it off next time. Without going into all the gory details about when my mother ran over a chunk of metal, let me share that I used this gray sealer to build up a patch for the 3" by 4" hole in the side of the gas tank. That "temporary" repair lasted for over 23 years before the rest of the tank rusted out, and never developed a leak.

With both of these sealers, once the pan or cover is bolted tight, you can pour in the fluid right away. You do not have to wait for it to cure first. One more thing to watch for is when you take the bolts out, look for a blob of that sealer on the end by the threads. This is not a problem with factory-applied sealant, but when the rest of us put it on, we tend to put on too much, and some can ooze into the bolt holes. That can make a bolt feel tight when it really is not tight enough to do its clamping yet.

That sealant in your second photo is definitely not a factory job. Being smeared all over like that is not a sign of a professional's work either.

As for the shaking, describe where you feel it and under what conditions. If it is felt in the steering wheel, the best suspect is a front brake that is not releasing properly. Most of the time that is an easy repair. You can identify that by stopping on a slight incline, shifting to neutral, then observing if the truck will creep down-hill on its own when you release the brakes.

If the transfer case is stuck in four-wheel-drive, you will get some shaking when going around corners since the wheels are turning at different speeds. The best suspect for that is the vacuum switch screwed in on top of the transfer case. If the "4WD" light on the dash turns on and off properly, that switch should be working, but there is also a vacuum-operated shift fork on top of the passenger side of the front axle housing. Check the vacuum supply at the two hoses attached to that actuator.

A broken tire belt, bent wheel, and rust or other debris stuck between the rotor and wheel or between the rotor and the hub it is mounted on are other things we will need to consider. This type of shaking is always going to caused by something that is rotating. Worn ball joints, tie rod ends, control arm bushings, and track bar can allow this shaking to be more pronounced, but those parts never cause shaking by themselves. We'll discuss the track bar later. Their common symptom is excessive steering wander.

Here is a link to an article that might give you some more ideas:

https://www.2carpros.com/articles/steering-wheel-shakes-when-accelerating-or-braking
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I replaced the cv joints and seals in the front axle of a dodge ram 1500 4x4, know the 4wd won't work. I think the vacuum switch on the axle is shot, but i don't know. any suggestions?
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try taking the cover off the 4wd vacuum actuator on the front axle and make sure the shift fork is around the sleve that locks the axle shafts. if it is, test for vacuum at the two lines. one should have vacuum with the lever in 2wd and the other when its in 4wd. if not theres a vacuum leak somewhere.
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