engine not starting after sitting for a few months?

2016 JAGUAR XE
60,000 MILES • 2.0L • 4 CYL • TURBO • 2WD • MANUAL
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MYFATHERSSON
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Hi,

My son's car cut out when he was on the way home a few months ago. After a bit of fault finding and stripping the car down, I found a snapped lower timing chain.

I replaced this and put it back together, but it cranked, almost fired but then seemed to stall.

After checking the pressures on the cylinders, they were 360, 300, 250, 210 (from back of engine to front). I stripped the engine down and did a leak test on the valves and found that all cylinders were leaking from various valves. I spent a day re-grinding them to stop them leaking. They are now 250, 295, 290, 285 (back to front).

I put it all back together again but still only get the crank and almost started. I tried another camshaft sensor as this message did pop up on my diagnostic tester but only once after re-assembling, it did not pop up subsequently and I was clutching at straws.

Am I looking at a sensor issue? or do you think this is still a mechanical problem? Any help would be most appreciated. The engine is not running?

Many thanks

Kevin
Aug 19, 2024 at 5:27 AM
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Is this a diesel or gas engine? Also have you run the codes?

Here is a guide to help:

https://www.2carpros.com/articles/checking-a-service-engine-soon-or-check-engine-light-on-or-flashing

Will the engine run on starting fluid? Please go over this guide and get back to us.

Aug 19, 2024 at 10:10 AM
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MYFATHERSSON
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Thanks for responding Ken. It is a diesel.

The code reader I have does not show any codes other than a P0342 error, which only happened once after reassembling and trying to start for the first time. There have been no codes subsequently although I have just purchased some computer software that should be more in depth and hopefully it will give me something.

I have tried starting it with carb cleaner but it makes no difference.
Aug 19, 2024 at 11:07 AM
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trouble code (DTC) P0342, or "Camshaft Position Sensor 'A' Circuit Low", So it looks like the camshaft timing may be off, I don't have information on the diesel so can I ask how you timing the engine crankshaft, camshaft and fuel pump? All of these compression readings are low.

Diesel engine should be around 350 to 450 psi (24 to 31 bar) per cylinder.

Telling us the timing is off.
Aug 20, 2024 at 8:51 AM
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MYFATHERSSON
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Hi Ken,

I haven't done anything with timing per se. I got all the chain timing marks in the correct positions according to the service manual. I presume one of the sprockets that the chain goes around is the fuel pump.

It uses injectors, does the timing for the fuel not come from the ECU?
Aug 20, 2024 at 9:06 AM
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I am not sure, I don't have information on this engine, I do know what the timing of the fuel pump and camshafts need to be correct and with the compression that low it seems off to me.
Aug 21, 2024 at 8:43 AM
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MYFATHERSSON
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Thanks Ken, I have some more sophisticated diagnostic software now so I will start by looking at the timing.

Many thanks
Aug 21, 2024 at 8:46 AM
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Sounds good, let me know how it goes.
Aug 21, 2024 at 9:42 AM
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MYFATHERSSON
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Hi Ken,

So, I have run the software, and it has come up with some stored codes, P060A and P0342.

I tried removing these but they didn't disappear, so I checked with the software provider, and he said that if they don't go, it is because the issue is immediately detected again.

As I haven't attempted to start the car, am I correct in assuming that it isn't the sensor detecting an issue, it must be that the PCM has either detected a problem with the sensor or the wiring? I have replaced the sensor so unless I have two faulty sensors, would that make it the wiring? Is there something else to check?

Many thanks,

Kevin
Aug 28, 2024 at 12:02 AM
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Did you recheck the engine crankshaft to camshaft timing?

"Diesel engine should be around 350 to 450 psi (24 to 31 bar) per cylinder."

yours is "They are now 250, 295, 290, 285 (back to front)."
Aug 28, 2024 at 8:31 AM
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MYFATHERSSON
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Hi Ken,

How would I recheck the crankshaft to camshaft timing? Would that need to be done using software?

Many thanks.
Aug 28, 2024 at 8:39 AM
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Each scanner is different, you would need to follow the prompts to see if the scanner is capable of such a task.
Aug 28, 2024 at 9:06 AM
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MYFATHERSSON
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I will give it a go and let you know.
Aug 28, 2024 at 9:16 AM
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Sounds good.
Aug 28, 2024 at 9:19 AM
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MYFATHERSSON
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Hi Ken,

I had an email from the software provider telling me that it could be the software not being able to remove the codes, so he gave me a refund. I instead bought a diagnostic all in one tester and have run that.

It comes up with an error on the seat belt pre tensioner, not something I would thing will stop the car starting. It also says that the glow plug circuits are open, which is because they are not plugged in at the moment as I was checking the pressure.

However, there was one other code that came up which is quite interesting.
P064F-00
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Unauthorized software/calibration detected

The only thing I have tried doing with any of the diagnostic devices/software is remove codes. What would be the next thing to look for to see why this has popped up?

Many thanks
Sep 5, 2024 at 11:07 AM
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The P064F-00 trouble code refers to an issue with the engine control module (ECM) related to an internal control module sensor reference voltage "D" performance. So, this can be because of the wiring that is disconnected. It probably is not starting because the compression is low, can you try starting fluid for diesels to see if anything changes?
Sep 6, 2024 at 11:12 AM
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MYFATHERSSON
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Hi Ken,

So, I tried using some starting fluid and it did fire up. Once I stopped spraying, it managed to continue for about 4-5 seconds and then stalled.
Sep 7, 2024 at 12:09 PM
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That is a good sign, so fuel seems to be the problem, the car has diesel in it correct? Sorry I had to ask you would be surprised. Let's check for power at fuse #28 in the rear fuse panel which is for the fuel pump, also swap out the fuel pump relay, and one more thing, unplug the MAF sensor and crank it over, when this sensor goes bad it will tell the PCM not to engage the fuel pump.

https://www.2carpros.com/articles/how-to-check-a-car-fuse

Here is the location of the MAF sensor. Check out the images (below). Please let us know what happens.
Sep 8, 2024 at 10:59 AM
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MYFATHERSSON
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Hi Ken,

I know fuel is getting as far as the fuel filter because when I reassembled, one of the pipes wasn't quite connected properly so when the system pressurized, it popped off and squirted diesel everywhere.

It has, however, made me think of something else that may cause the issue, which is that the car has been sitting on the road for a couple of months and then in my garage since February. Could it possibly be that the diesel fuel has gone bad and needs replacing?

Many thanks.
Sep 9, 2024 at 1:50 AM
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Not in a couple of months the fuel should be okay. But if someone contaminated the fuel that is another story. Can you hear the fuel pump relay click on when you turn the key on but don't crank the engine over?
Sep 9, 2024 at 8:20 AM
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MYFATHERSSON
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Hi Ken,

Yes, I can hear the pump whining. When you say a couple of months, it has been about 7.

I will double check tonight, to make sure the fuel is getting as far as the injectors and report back.

Many thanks
Sep 9, 2024 at 8:26 AM
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Diesel fuel can stay longer than regular gasoline but you can be bad, you might want to try draining the tank and adding new fuel. The problem can still be low compression btw.
Sep 9, 2024 at 9:34 AM
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Hi Ken.

So, I took off one of the pipes to the injectors and put a rubber tube on it down into a container and turned the ignition to on (but not crank) and the fuel did end up in the container.

With this in mind, am I correct in thinking that it is either bad fuel, bad injectors, or low compression? Would there be anything else that it might be?

Many thanks
Sep 10, 2024 at 12:29 AM
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It could be bad fuel, or a bad injector pump which is common or low compression, I don't think the individual injectors are bad because they would all need to go bad at once. Can you confirm there is fuel getting to the high pressure fuel pump? Turn the key on and fuel should be present. Check out the images (below). Let us know what you find.
Sep 10, 2024 at 9:25 AM
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MYFATHERSSON
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Hi Ken,

Yes, the fuel is getting to this pipe.

Many thanks
Sep 10, 2024 at 11:03 AM
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Okay, so those are the choices, bad fuel, (doubtful), bad high pressure fuel pump or low compression.
Sep 10, 2024 at 4:53 PM
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MYFATHERSSON
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Hi Ken,

Can I check, I have a pipe connected to one of the injector pipes. When the system is priming, should this squirt out quite fast, or would it dribble out slowly?

I assumed that it would come out relatively fast as the system should be trying to pressurize it.

Many thanks
Sep 11, 2024 at 11:08 AM
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I would remove one of the fuel injectors because you cant tell by the fuel line.
Sep 12, 2024 at 8:16 AM
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MYFATHERSSON
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Hi Ken,

I tried with an injector connected and I do get a misty coming out the end.

Many thanks
Sep 12, 2024 at 10:55 AM
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Okay, is it a strong mist? can you upload a short video so I can see?
Sep 12, 2024 at 4:04 PM
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Hi Ken,

So, after my son recorded it for me whilst I cranked the engine, it turns out it doesn't spray very regularly at all. The video is attached.

Many thanks
Sep 13, 2024 at 12:20 PM
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Good call, it is hard to see against the white background but it doesn't look good.
Sep 14, 2024 at 9:08 AM
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MYFATHERSSON
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Hi Ken,

Apologies for the delay in coming back to this one. We eventually had to get it trailered to the "local" Jaguar dealer about 40 miles away.

They checked it all out and apparently adjusted the timing (not sure how they did that unless it is software based). Once they had done this, they got it running but it rough. They then replaced a couple of injectors which has sorted it out.

My son is picking the car up tomorrow. It has only been off the road a year (is that record fast for a 2.0 Ingenium diesel engine?).

I would like to thank you for all the help and advice that you have given, it certainly helped rule things out.

Many thanks.
Feb 18, 2025 at 4:46 AM
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Good point, not sure what they did but I know a shorted injector can cause the PCM to shut down. Glad you could get it fixed, thanks for letting us know. Please use 2CarPros anytime we are here to help.
Feb 18, 2025 at 9:34 AM