windshield wipers will are not working there is no power going to the fuse or the motor

1997 CHEVROLET CAVALIER
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Four cylinder two wheel drive automatic 190,000 miles

One day my wipers stopped working. I took the motor off and jumped it to the battery and it moves fine. I checked the fuse in the fuse panel and there is no power going to it. I took the panel out and tested the two wires going to the fuse and still it did not show power going to it. I took out the wiper switch on the steering column. I not sure how to test it. I took it apart and it looked fine.The resisters were showing voltage but i have no idea what the voltage should of been, but they still looked good none looked burned. I put a piece of wire where the fuse goes to see if that did anything but still nothing. I tested for power at the wiper motor plug and i was getting nothing. So I am getting no power at the fuse or the motor. I am lost at this point. Are there any other ways of testing more things?
Jun 30, 2009 at 8:31 PM
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you should be getting power at the fuse if the key is in the "on" position.

Give me a couple of hours and i will dig up the schematics for your car.
Jul 1, 2009 at 3:43 PM
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Yes that is what i mean. I am not getting power at the fuse or anywhere else.
Jul 1, 2009 at 6:20 PM
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do you have a factory radio and does it work?

if you have a remote control, can you lock and unlock the doors with it.

power runs from the ignition switch through a brown wire to the fuse box.

then inside the fusebox, it splits to a ten amp fuse for the radio
and a twenty five amp fuse for the wipers.

before that, it has a fifty amp fuse in the box under the hood, with a red wire running to the ignition switch.
Jul 1, 2009 at 6:25 PM
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i have an aftermarket radio. The lines to the fuse were warn so the fuse would turn the radio on and off when the car moved. I cut the radio wires out and put an aftermarket fuse line. The radio works fine. The wipers work after i did this. the locks are manual and so are the windows. the car starts up fine and runs. I looked in the manual at the relay box but could not find the fuse. What is the name of it? So you are telling me that the ignition and wipers work off the same power source? I wonder why one works and the other does not since it is the same power source. Thanks for the information. If you have more I would appreciate it.
Jul 1, 2009 at 7:11 PM
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we know the fifty amp fuse in the under hood box is good, because a lot of stuff in your car would not work if it was bad.

check for power on the brown wire coming out of the ignition switch with the key on. (or you could check at the brown wire at the fuse box).

Also, check for power on the factory radio fuse,
since the wipers and radio fuse are tied, it should be hot,
if not then we will know we have a problem in the switch or in with that brown wire somewhere.
Jul 1, 2009 at 7:20 PM
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yes, i checked the radio fuse and it is hot. If the wiper switch on the steering column was bad would i still get power at the fuse or wiper motor? what else does the brown wire power since i know the ignition is working but not the wipers. I will check the brown wire coming out if the ignition right know and tell you if it is hot. i figured it would since the ignition works.
Jul 1, 2009 at 7:29 PM
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yes, there is one wire that is hot at the motor when the key is turned on.

and then there are three more wires that are hot depending on what speed you have the wipers on.
Jul 1, 2009 at 7:32 PM
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do you know how to read schematics?
Jul 1, 2009 at 7:34 PM
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Okay, i just checked the the wires coming from the wiper switch wire harness to the ignition and there is no brown wire it is one yellow,one black and one off white. I tested these three wires just now and none of them show any signs of power. i figure that yellow is power, white is common, and black is ground. the thing that gets me is that it plugs into the ignition but the car starts and runs unless power only flows through the ignition wires when you start it up and stops when the car starts?
Jul 1, 2009 at 7:49 PM
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If you have power on one of the connectors for the radio fuse, but do not have it on one of the wipers connectors in the fuse box, then there is a problem inside the fuse box.
Jul 1, 2009 at 8:05 PM
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yes, power for radio fuse connector, but not for wiper fuse connector. so since i have no power to the wiper fuse how do i fix my problem in the fuse box? cut the wires and put a fuse line in, like i did for the radio fuse? i cannot see the brown wire from the ignition switch. like i said there is a plug underneath the ignition switch with a plug coming from the ignition which plugs into the off white, black, and yellow wires that come from the same wire loom as the wiper switch wires. it is not from the same wires for the wiper switch just there tape in the same loom.
Jul 1, 2009 at 8:44 PM
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this is how i would handle it.

use a jumper wire with a twenty five amp fuse inline to go from the hot side of the radio fuse hole to the output side of the wiper fuse hole.
Jul 1, 2009 at 8:56 PM
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so cut the two wires going to the wiper fuse and mirage those wires with the radio wires? So keep the fuse at twenty five amp? why not go higher? what is the output side of the wiper? the hot side? so hot to hot and cold to cold? so I am just taking power from another power source? I was thinking to do that but wasn't sure from where I would get the power from.
Jul 1, 2009 at 11:07 PM
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no, you misunderstood me.

do you have any way of taking a picture of your fuse box and sending it to me?
Jul 1, 2009 at 11:18 PM
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yes i can get a picture tomorrow. Let me take a stab at it again. you want me to just test jump the fuses? take the fuse out of the radio and take a wire with a twenty five amp fuse and jump it to the wiper fuse?
Jul 2, 2009 at 12:31 AM
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we are not understanding each other.

please take a picture of the fuse box
Jul 2, 2009 at 12:37 AM
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https://www.2carpros.com/forum/automotive_pictures/376352_brown_wire_radio_2.jpg


https://www.2carpros.com/forum/automotive_pictures/376352_radio_wiper_1.jpg


https://www.2carpros.com/forum/automotive_pictures/376352_the_three_wires_2.jpg


https://www.2carpros.com/forum/automotive_pictures/376352_two_yellow_1.jpg


https://www.2carpros.com/forum/automotive_pictures/376352_wiper_fuse_1.jpg


https://www.2carpros.com/forum/automotive_pictures/376352_wiper_switch_and_ignition_1.jpg

Jul 2, 2009 at 2:13 PM
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is that add on fuse for your radio?


https://www.2carpros.com/forum/automotive_pictures/376352_brown_wire_radio_2.jpg

. . . . but back to your problem. I was going to draw lines and fuses and stuff on the picture of your fuse box, but I see that you have really good access to the back of the fuse box. Use one of those add on fuses to go from the brown wire to the yellow wiper wires. And all should be right with the world.
Jul 2, 2009 at 2:37 PM
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so just get another add a fuse and add it to where i spliced brown and connect the other side to the yellow wires and put in a twenty five amp fuse. I will do that tomorrow and tell you the results thanks for the help.
Jul 2, 2009 at 11:06 PM
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[quote:860b9a4649="greenchevymalibu"]so just get anther add a fuse and add it to where i spliced brown and connect the other side to the yellow wires and put in a 25 amp fuse.[/quote:860b9a4649]
That is exactly what I suggest you do.

Let me know how it turns out.
Jul 3, 2009 at 12:09 AM
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they work great now thanks. i have another question, but it is for another car. i posted the question but no one has helped me. it s on a 1991 Honda Accord.
Jul 8, 2009 at 9:30 AM
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I am glad you got the wipers fixed.

I looked at your other question. I do not have any experience with older Japanese stuff. I will have to let someone else guide you on that one.
Jul 8, 2009 at 9:36 AM
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thanks, I would gladly appreciate the help.
Jul 8, 2009 at 4:52 PM
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I went through a do-it-yourself car wash and the water pressure flung my windshield wipers up from their stationary/off position. Ever since then, they do not work.
Dec 12, 2016 at 1:25 PM (Merged)
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There are a few possibilities for failure;

The wiper motor is bad.

The wiper switch has failed.

To replace the wiper motor is not to bad. it all depends on the windshield cowl and how hard it is to remove and replace.

First, test the wiper motor. I am giving you all the schematics, connector Identification and diagrams you will need to do this.
Use the wiring schematic and connector identification to find the positive twelve volts and ground terminals on the wiper motor. Hook up some test leads from your battery and see if wiper motor works.
Also, follow symptom diagnostic sheet to make sure everything else is okay so you can rule out the motor and go on to replacing the switch.

Let me know if you need any more help with this.
Dec 12, 2016 at 1:25 PM (Merged)
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Four cylinder front wheel drive automatic 121,859 miles

This is how it started. I was looking in my fuse box and i saw a brown wire going into one of the fuse holes with a fuse (the radio fuse). I took it out and i opened my hood to see where it was going. I seen it was going to the fan wire but it was rigged weird. A piece of insulation was cut off from the fan wire and the end of the brown wire was wrapped around it, So i tried carefully to put the wire back in the fuse hole and it sparked. Due to the spark, my radio and wipers do not work. My headlights only work on bright and there is something wrong with my rear brake lights.
Dec 27, 2016 at 5:53 PM (Merged)
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My wife came home from a short trip to the store and now she has no control indicator function the rpm, temperature, speed and fuel level. Wipers do not work. The car runs but no AC with constant fan speed. also, no wipers. Lights do work and high beam also.

What should I check? a cable to the small computer on the fender well? No one fuse controls all of this.
My wife is no longer in the car so we can rule her out!
Dec 27, 2016 at 5:53 PM (Merged)
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Hi there, you will have to start with checking all fuses and fusible links, check battery connections and earths are clean and tight. i will look at a wiring diagram a bit later and see if there is any other point worth looking at. run a scan checking for any body control module faults, start here.

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Dec 27, 2016 at 5:53 PM (Merged)
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Hi, I am having a problem with my windshield wipers and radio.
The windshield wipers only work sometimes, but they always work when the ignition is on accessories for some reason.
Sometimes they will work when I turn the vehicle on and off, but once they start working they will stop working after about twenty to sixty minutes, and when I try to turn them on and they do not work they will turn off the radio. What do you think the problem might be?
Dec 27, 2016 at 5:53 PM (Merged)
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The cruise control is on this same circuit. All three things come of the same section of the ignition switch on the brown wire. I would start by inspecting the switch connector. If the connector body is melted and/or two terminals are black or appear to have been overheated, the switch must be replaced, then, those overheated terminals can be cut out of the connector and replaced with individual crimp-on terminals. Those new terminals should be soldered too. Also, you will typically find the first four inches of wire are hardened from being hot. Solder will not adhere to that. Cut off the hardened parts, splice in new wire of the same gauge, solder the splices, and seal them with heat-shrink tubing.

If the switch and connector are okay, there could also be a bad connection inside the fuse box. We will address that later if necessary.
Dec 27, 2016 at 5:54 PM (Merged)