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2010 HYUNDAI ELANTRA
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INMYHEART28
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How long can a car sit without driving it before the battery dies on average? Does it help, hurt, or do neither to start up the car every couple of days and let it run for 15-20 mins??
Nov 21, 2011 at 12:54 AM
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You should drive the car for at least 15 minutes every month to keep the battery up. The battery will not stay charged if you let it sit.
Nov 21, 2011 at 1:04 AM
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Yes but for how long can a car sit without turning it on before the battery dies on average?
Nov 21, 2011 at 1:07 AM
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Cars will vary depending on how many parasitic modules it has and how strong the battery was to start with but most will make it a couple months. You can use a trickle charger to maintain the charge, that would be best.
Nov 21, 2011 at 1:13 AM
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Since I first got this car in Oct. 2010 I have driven it on average about once a week for 20-25 miles. There have been exceptions when I have driven it 3 times a week or 13 days ago when I drove it for 115 miles however for the most part the once a week driving 20-25 miles has been normal. I am honestly shocked that the battery has not died yet under these conditions and it has not shown any signs of doing so (no extended cranking, etc.) How much longer can a battery last under these conditions? When I first got the car I was told that driving it like this the battery would last but just not as long as if I drove it everyday. Is there anyway to tell how much longer I have on the battery? Also, will I know that the battery is dying because of extending cranking or will it just not turn on at some point in the future?
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The battery can be tested as to it's relative health through Conductance testing.
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If it ain't bad, don't fix it. Why worry over something that is impossible foretell?
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I have had my car for almost 4 years and I do not even drive it very often (as my mileage of 6,500 will prove) but the battery is still working. Should I expect it to fail at any moment or could it last a while longer?
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It is time to start looking for a new battery. Four years on a battery is a long time. The best battery made is suppose to last four years. Shop around and get the best price you can from the auto parts stores. Then take it there and they will install it for free.
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I know it would be better to drive the car but does running the car idle for 20 or 30 mins help to recharge the battery at all?
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Yup, but all generators are very inefficient at low speeds. Generators work with a magnet, a coil of wire, and most importantly, movement between them. That's why the belt has to spin the magnet, (electromagnet, in this case). The amount of current they put out varies depending on the number of loops of wire in the coil of wire, the strength of the electromagnet, and how rapidly the two are moving in relation to each other.

We can't change the number of loops of wire, at least not while the unit is operating on the car. It is not practical to speed up the engine when you need more electrical power to run the heater fan or headlights. The only way to adjust the output to meet the needs at any given time is to adjust the strength of the electromagnet. Fortunately that is real easy to do and is the job of the voltage regulator.

Up until 1959 there was only the common DC generator which was very inefficient. They did not charge the battery at all at idle, and at higher speeds about the best you could hope for was 30 amps. That wasn't enough to run all the electrical systems under all conditions so it was common practice to have to charge the battery at home every few weeks.

The AC generator was developed by Chrysler and first used in 1960. They copyrighted the term "alternator", but everyone uses it. Their next improvement was the electronic voltage regulator used in 1970 that added a pile of reliability to the system. Every manufacturer uses their own variation of this design today, and even the worst designs outlast the old DC generators.

The smallest alternator, electrically-speaking, that I'm aware of developed 33 amps, but it was hard to find because if you ordered any optional equipment at all, you got the larger 55 amp unit. Those were also Chrysler alternators. GM's most common ones developed 65 amps and were a pretty nice design too. Each one had their own advantages.

All AC generators are much more efficient, and current models are capable of as much as 140 amps. Typically you'll find 90 to 120 amp alternators on vehicles from the last fifteen to twenty years. To finally get back to your question, we still need that movement between the coil and electromagnet, but where the older DC generator didn't produce any usable current at low speeds, the newer AC generator does. Under a "full-load" test, one of the requirements is to raise engine speed to 2,000 rpm, or a little over double idle speed. Because of one of its inherent design characteristics, an alternator is physically incapable of developing more output current than the rated current it was designed for. That can be accomplished well before 2,000 rpm, but that engine speed is the industry-standard for testing on all cars. In practice, the typical 90 amp alternator will still be able to develop perhaps as much as 40 - 60 amps at idle.

It takes about 10 - 20 amps to run your electric fuel pump, injectors, and ignition system. Add in the dozens of computer modules, instrument cluster, and radio, and there's another 10 amps. If the electric radiator fan turns on intermittently, that's another 15 amps. Pretty soon there's nothing left to recharge the battery from what it lost from cranking the engine.

The battery will only accept about 20 amps when it's partially run down and trying to charge back up. If that isn't available, it will just take longer to become fully-charged. Current never drops all the way to 0 amps. When it drops to around 5 amps, the battery can be considered fully-charged.

That's probably a little more than you wanted to know. If you're considering storing the car for the winter, a better alternative is to simply disconnect the battery. I have to be careful when I say that because a few manufacturers have purposely designed in tricks that force owners to have their cars towed to the dealer after disconnecting the battery to have numerous computers unlocked or reprogrammed. According to some national trainers, Hyundai, Toyota, and Chrysler are the top three in the world for customer-friendly business practices, so it's unlikely disconnecting your battery will result in any problems.

There is no advantage to running the engine periodically. 99 percent of engine wear takes place when the engine is still cold and warming up. That's when some parts haven't expanded yet to fit properly. Oil doesn't flow well when it's cold, and the contaminants that build up in it don't vaporize well so they can be drawn off and burned. Those contaminants cause sludge buildup. If you run the engine for 20 minutes per month for six months, you will have caused two hours worth of engine wear. If you ran the engine for two hours straight at normal speeds, you will have done less than 20 minutes worth of wear. Basically you'd be stopping the engine just as the wear was about to decrease.

If you just want to keep the battery charged up, a better alternative would be to connect a small solar-powered battery maintainer. Unless the manufacturer specifies differently, like Cadillac, the industry standard is all the computers on the car can't draw more than 35 milliamps, (.035 amps), to maintain their memories. At that rate, Chrysler says a good battery will still be charged enough to crank and start the engine after sitting for three weeks.

Even if you do disconnect the battery, it's a good idea to charge it every couple of months or use a charge maintainer. It's normal for a battery to self-discharge slowly, and when that happens, the acid turns into a higher concentration of water. If that freezes it will bulge the sides of the case and distort the plates until they short together. There's no fix for that other than to replace the battery.

Without going into a pile of boring detail, home battery chargers do not put out as clean a charging current as an alternator does. It's current goes real high, then to 0 amps, then real high again 120 times per second. That will get the job done, but that pulsing current vibrates the plates in the battery. As any battery ages, the lead flakes off the plates and floats to the bottom of the case. When it builds up high enough to touch multiple plates, that cell becomes shorted, and again, the only fix is to replace the battery. To avoid that, always charge a car battery with a home charger set to the lowest setting. A good battery that is fully-discharged will be almost fully-charged after about an hour to an hour and a half when charged at a five to 10 amp rate.
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INMYHEART28
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How long can a healthy battery sit on average before it dies? I have heard 3 weeks. What is the truth?
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3 weeks is stretching it. i would say 2 weeks.

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Cars with more computers can't sit as long . Thay draw more current to keep there memories alive
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Does the Elantra have a lot of computers? I don't think it does.
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All newer cars have way too many unnecessary computers. Unless the manufacturer specifies differently, the industry standard is 35 milliamps is the maximum current drain to keep the memories alive in those computers that have them. Mainly that's the Engine, Transmission, and Body Computers as well as the radio. At 35 ma., a good battery will still start the engine after sitting for three weeks. Chrysler, for example, guarantees that but in actual practice you may find the battery will last twice that long. A few models allow up to 50 ma. current drain.

As the battery ages, some of the lead flakes off the plates and the reserve capacity goes down so you may find the engine only starts after sitting for two weeks.

All cars have a means of disconnecting non-essential functions for shipping from the manufacturing plant to their storage facilities. On older cars that was often a bullet connector in a smaller positive battery cable. Later models used a fuse under the hood. You may also find one or two fuses inside the car. They commonly have pull handles to facilitate removal when the car will be stored.
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If you only drive a car once a week (usually for between 10-15 miles each time) but then it sits for 8 days will it still start up? Also, when a car sits for an extended period of time is it good, bad, or neither to let it run idle for 20 mins every couple of days?
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The battery will be fine, and there is no real need to run the engine, if anything this isa actually worse than not running as the car is not reaching full load and extended idling can cause bores to glaze up which will cause oil consumption issues.
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If a car sits for a long time.. Perhaps 7-9 days. Is it helpful to let it run idle for a bit to keep the battery strong or is it of no use? Is the trickle charger the only solution?
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Your choice. Both work, but the trickle charger is cheaper.
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How is a trickle charger cheaper than just letting a car run idle for a while? Is there cost in damage to the car for letting it run idle?
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It is cheaper because of gas prices.
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Exactly. Thank you Jacobandnickolas.
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How long can a healthy battery usually sit without dying? I am going out of town for about 14 days. Should my battery likely start up again right away?
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UNPLUG ANY UNNECESSARY STUFF---GPS, ETC

I SEE NO REASON WHY 14 DAYS WOULD BE A PROBLEM

BACK IN THE '80s WHEN I WAS A "PAID" US ARMY AIRBORNE RANGER---MY JEEP MIGHT SIT A MONTH AND A HALF, WHILE WE WERE DEPLOYED FOR TRAINING ALL OVER THE WORLD

HE'D FIRE RIGHT UP EVERY TIME!!!..... AS SOON AS WE GOT BACK AND WERE RELEASED TO BE GENTLEMAN-LIKE IN SAVANNAH!

I'D HOPE BATTERY TECHNOLOGY HAS IMPROVED SINCE THEN

'COURSE YOU GOTTA REMEMBER-------THIS IS A "JEEP".........THE MOST AWESOME VEHICLE EVER CONSTRUCTED!

----THE 1ST PIC WAS #1, 1977 CJ5----THE 2ND IS #7, 1946 WILLYS........ I'VE HAD 5 OTHERS--STILL HAVE THE LAST TWO........NEVER OWNED NOTHIN' ELSE!

IF YOUR BATTERY IS INDEED STILL SERVICEABLE AND "HEALTHY", I DON'T THINK YOU NEED TO WORRY!

THE MEDIC
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I have been driving my car every 4 to 8 days for 10-15 miles. Am I killing the battery or should I be fine if I continue like this?
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It should be fine. The battery may not last as long over its life, but shouldn't cause any short term problems.
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I bought the car about 13 months ago. Driving as I stated should the battery still have some more life in it? At least a few more months?
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IF the battery is in good operating condition, it should be fine.
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Can a car with a strong working battery sit 2 weeks without being turned on and then usually start right up after that?
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Yes, it should be able to sit there for a month or more. What is the problem?
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There is no problem. Just going out of town for a couple of weeks. Thanks!
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Unless the manufacturer specifies otherwise, 35 milliamps, (.035 amps), is the maximum current drain allowed for all of the computer memory circuits. At that rate Chrysler and most others guarantee a good battery will crank the engine after three weeks. Shadeydaz is right that most will last longer, but Cadillac allows up to 50 milliamps because they have even more unnecessary computers than on other car brands.

Every manufacturer provides a means of disconnecting non-essential circuits to allow the car to be driven by the trucking people who brought it to the dealership without creating the large drain that would kill the battery while the car is in storage waiting to be sold TO a dealership. There may be a bullet connector near the battery's positive cable or there could be a fuse to pull. On some cars that fuse is called the "I.O.D." fuse for "ignition off draw". On some, the air bag fuses are the two to pull. The owner's manual should list what to do to stop the drain.

Disconnecting the negative battery cable will stop all current drain, but for the benefit of the sorry owners of other brands of cars who might be researching a problem with Volkswagens, BMWs, other imports, and General Motors vehicles, disconnecting the battery should be avoided at all cost. They have many models that have designed-in problems that require a tow to the dealership after simply disconnecting the battery or letting it run dead. Replacing your old battery with a new one will result in a very expensive repair bill to have multiple computers reprogrammed or unlocked.

Inmyheart28, Hyundai, along with Toyota and Chrysler, is by far the most customer-friendly manufacturer in the world when it comes to the computers on their cars, and unless something changed in the last couple of years, you should not have a problem even if your battery does run down enough that it won't start the engine, but if you want to be sure, put a battery charger on it and charge it at the lowest rate for half an hour before trying to start the engine.
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I have not driven my car in months. I have kept it going by running the battery now and again. Is it still safe to drive? Will the gas and everything be okay?
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I'D SAY YOU ARE OK FOR A FEW MONTHS OF SITTING

CHECK YOUR FLUIDS, MAYBE DO AN OIL CHANGE (OWNERS MANUAL MIGHT SAY 3 MONTHS OR SO MANY MILES)

DURING THAT TIME THE BRAKES MAY HAVE GOTTEN SOME SURFACE RUST ON THEM. THIS MIGHT MAKE IT PULL ONE WAY OR THE OTHER WHEN BRAKING (INITIALLY)

I'D TAKE IT SLOW, DRIVE THE DESERTED ROADS FOR MAYBE 10 MILES, BRAKING FROM TIME TO TIME TO "CLEAN OFF" THE SURFACE RUST FROM THE ROTORS OR DRUMS

IF IT SEEMS FINE AFTER THAT, I'D DRIVE THE PUPPY!

THE MEDIC
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I always drive my car everyday, but in the last two weeks I have only driven it three times. Is this an issue for the battery or anything else?
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Many years ago, Chrysler said a good battery with a full charge will be strong enough to start an engine that has been sitting for three weeks. That has become the industry standard for all cars unless specified otherwise by the manufacturer. This is due to the extremely high number of computers on today's cars. Most of them need a little standby current to keep their memories alive. In the 1980's, all we had was a radio that needed a memory circuit for the station presets and clock. Those cars could sit for months and still start.

That does not mean you cannot go more than three weeks I have a 2014 Dodge truck with all kinds of unnecessary, complicated computers. I started it twice this winter, and both times it had been sitting for over seven weeks. The second time I could tell the battery was weak, but it did still start the engine.

Also, consider that the lead flakes off the plates in all batteries over time. Typically it takes around five years before it collects and builds up in the bottom of the case until it shorts one of the cells. As the battery ages and more of that lead flakes off, it reduces the battery's storage capacity, so in effect, you have a smaller battery that will not last as long. You may not get three weeks out of it. Usually you will have other starting problems long before you have to worry about how long it is sitting unused.

If you plan on not using your car for a much longer period of time, from a couple of months to many years, there is a way to disable that standby current. (It is commonly called "ignition off-draw", or "IOD"). Most cars are shipped with part of the electrical system disabled so they can sit for a long time in assembly plant parking lots or on the dealer's lot without running the battery down, but enough works that the delivery drivers can operate them. In the 1980's there was often a medium-sized battery cable that could be unplugged. By the mid 1990's, many cars needed to have one fuse plugged in during the "new-vehicle-prep" at the dealership. Today many cars have one or two fuses in special holders that make pulling them out real easy, for the same purpose.

Be aware that some manufacturers have purposely designed in tricks to cost their customers money after the sale. Some of the computers will lock up and require the vehicle be towed to the dealer to have them unlocked. That can get to be over an $800.00 repair bill for VW owners after simply trying to replace a bad battery. Audi, BMW, and GM have the same reputation for numerous customer-unfriendly business practices. This is probably not an issue for you, but it would not hurt to double-check at the dealership. I used to attend monthly classes from a very high-level independent trainer who networked with other instructors around the nation as well as many manufacturer instructors. On their list of manufacturers with "customer-friendly" business practices, Hyundai was number one. Toyota was next, then Chrysler. That means those manufacturers put customer satisfaction and repeat business ahead of short-term profits and the need to continually advertise for new customers. I would be very surprised to hear Hyundai would stick you from simply unplugging the IOD device.

Another alternative, if the car is going to be unused for a long time, is to connect a "battery maintainer". Some plug into house current and connect to the battery. Some are solar-powered and can plug into the cigarette lighter or power outlet, but you have to verify those outlets operate with the ignition switch turned off. The industry-standard ignition-off-draw maximum current is 35 milliamps, (0.035 amps). That is about one fifteenth what it takes to run a glove box light, so it is not very much. Even the tiniest solar chargers can keep up with that. You can find these chargers at Harbor Freight Tools, hardware stores, auto parts stores, farm and home stores, and probably even Walmart.

Avoid letting your car sit for long periods on grass, especially if you are in a northern area. The condensation will rust a car very quickly from underneath.

Probably the biggest concern with letting a car sit for a real long time, as in many years, is the clutch plates in an automatic transmission can dry out. They are meant to be immersed in transmission fluid. In fact, it is standard procedure to let new clutch plates sit in fluid before they are installed during a transmission rebuild. If they are allowed to dry out from sitting with no fluid circulating, they can tear apart easily and cause debris to circulate. That can cause slipping, torn rubber seals, and sticking shift valves. To avoid all of that, it is a good idea to drive the car at least two or three times a year.
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