My engine has a high idle why?

2006 FORD F-150
250,000 MILES • 4.6L • V8 • 4WD • AUTOMATIC
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BRENT BASHAM
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Changed plugs and cops , truck ran great! A week later cleaned mass flow , still runs great but, now cranks at extremely high idle (2000rpms) Every time it's cranked!
Suggestions?
Oct 31, 2015 at 1:57 PM
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MHPAUTOS
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You may have an air leak at the throttle body or a problem with the IAC check this first. This guide can help us fix it

https://www.2carpros.com/articles/engine-idles-too-high

Please run down this guide and report back.
Oct 31, 2015 at 2:13 PM
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BRENT BASHAM
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Ok , I'll check. I didn't use a new gasket on the mass flow , (pretty dumb on my part) it's the only thing that was disturbed and probably where it's at.
I'll change this first and see if that fixes it.
Thanks for your info !
Nov 1, 2015 at 8:41 AM
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MHPAUTOS
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OK, good place to start looking, good luck with this.
Nov 1, 2015 at 12:29 PM
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RUSS39
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So this only happens when the A/C is on and the truck is stopped at a light at idle. No codes are present. Spark plugs changed out 6 months ago. A/C blows really good, refrigerant is full. No other issues when driving. Any help well be grateful appreciated.
May 5, 2021 at 12:22 PM (Merged)
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Good morning,

The idle air control motor is supposed to adjust engine RPM according to load. When the motor sticks or does not work correctly, this will result.

You cannot clean this motor as the dirt is in an area you cannot access.

https://www.2carpros.com/articles/how-to-replace-an-idle-speed-control-motor-iac

It is located behind the throttle body on the neck of the upper intake plenum. It attaches with 2 8mm bolts and an electrical connection.

I attached a picture for you of the location.



Roy
May 5, 2021 at 12:22 PM (Merged)
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DBAUER78
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The vehicle will suddenly kick into very high idle (over 3 rpms) and will not 'kick' down, but, it will only move at maybe 12 miles per hour. I don't know if this is engine or trans problem. The last time my husband 'banged' around the engine (most things are tested this way, to my dismay) but it did stop. We took it to a mechanic who could find nothing wrong and it has now happened again. I will have it towed to a dealer (?) but would like to know if you have any suggestions as to what would cause this?
May 5, 2021 at 12:22 PM (Merged)
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For starters scan the PCM (computer) for codes

https://www.2carpros.com/articles/checking-a-service-engine-soon-or-check-engine-light-on-or-flashing

If the PCM sees a problem it will store a code that will help in diagnosing the problem, get back with the exact codes.Sounds like it could be the IAC (idle air control) sticking, but will need to be scanned as to why it wont go over 12 mph.
May 5, 2021 at 12:22 PM (Merged)
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DICK SIMON
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I changed the throttle body, lots of parts looked for vacuum leaks. can I check my timing on this pickup with a timing light?
May 5, 2021 at 12:22 PM (Merged)
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Hello,

It sounds like you have an IAC motor that needs replacement. Here is a guide that will help you get the job done and some diagrams (Below) to show what is it like on your car.

https://www.2carpros.com/articles/how-to-replace-an-idle-speed-control-motor-iac

I would double check the large vacuum hose, they like to leak at the rear of the engine.

Does the engine have an EGR valve?

Please let us know what happens.

Cheers, Ken

May 5, 2021 at 12:22 PM (Merged)
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JEREMYHARRISON
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My truck has high idle for 15 to 20 minutes. There are no codes at all. It seems may be related to coolant temperature sensor. I know where the cylinder temperature sensor, but I'm having a hard time locating the coolant temperature sensor.
I found some people talking about it possibly having a thermostat instead but I'm not sure. would there still be a sensor?
May 5, 2021 at 12:24 PM (Merged)
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ASEMASTER6371
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Good afternoon,

Why do you think it is the coolant sensor? It does not control idle speed.

https://www.2carpros.com/articles/how-to-replace-an-idle-speed-control-motor-iac

You said you knew where it was but you want to know where it is? Please explain.

The sensor is located just under the intake manifold on the left front of the engine.

Roy

REMOVAL
1. Disconnect the battery ground cable.

2. Remove the bolts and the accelerator control splash shield.

3. Remove the Idle Air Control (IAC) valve electrical connector.

4. Disconnect the throttle bypass hose.

5. Remove the bolts and the IAC valve.

INSTALLATION
1. To install, reverse the removal procedure.
May 5, 2021 at 12:24 PM (Merged)
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JEREMYHARRISON
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that fixed it thank you.
May 5, 2021 at 12:24 PM (Merged)
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JOHNNY MILLER2
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Just replaced the EGR valve, flushed radiator and oil change. now the truck idles high! Need to know what do I need to check how to get idle down.
May 5, 2021 at 12:24 PM (Merged)
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ASEMASTER6371
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Good morning,

When you had the EGR off, were the passages clear of all carbon? If some carbon is in there and holding the valve open, it creates a vacuum leak and the idle will be high.

https://www.2carpros.com/articles/engine-idles-too-high

Also, remove the connector for the idle air control valve and see if the idle drops.

https://www.2carpros.com/articles/how-to-replace-an-idle-speed-control-motor-iac

I would also clean the throttle body of all carbon as well.

https://www.2carpros.com/articles/throttle-actuator-service

Roy
May 5, 2021 at 12:24 PM (Merged)
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BMDOUBLE
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Give the idle air control valve a tap with a screwdriver handle, these are notorious for sticking, and especially after a decarb service.
May 5, 2021 at 12:24 PM (Merged)
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Hey guy's, i'm back. Happy New Year to y'all.

First i got an email saying i had a message from maryanne or annemary but never could find it.
Second my daughter's Kia has never acted up again. I'm confused.
now to my Ford. I've replaced TPS, IAC and fan clutch but still having idle problems. When it's cold it starts and idles good but after it's hot and i start it. It revs between 1,500 and 2,000 rpm's really fast and then drops to normal idle. While i am driving and slowing down i have to shift into neutral and let the engine rev up really fast in order to get it to idle right.
in short what could be causing the strange situation. Also some days it runs pretty good. Thanks for all y'alls help.
May 5, 2021 at 12:25 PM (Merged)
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Hi,

It sounds like you have already done a lot. Have you checked for engine vacuum leaks? Also, have you checked to confirm fuel pressure is within spec?

https://www.2carpros.com/articles/how-to-use-an-engine-vacuum-gauge

https://www.2carpros.com/articles/how-to-check-fuel-system-pressure-and-regulator

Let me know if you found any diagnostic trouble codes also.

Take care,
Joe
May 5, 2021 at 12:25 PM (Merged)
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Hi,

The engine needs an air source to run faster. Either the throttle is not returning or the engine is getting air from another source.Check the throttle Cable, IAC/Auxiliary Air Valve and Cruise Control engagement, PCV valve hanging open.Check for an overheat situation - PCM commands faster idle for attempted cool down.High idle after driving for a while and slowing for a stop, idle speed increases. After driving for a while and slowing for a stop, idle speed increases. Makes me think the brake booster is faulty and once in a while the seal hangs open and allows atmosphere air into the vacuum side which would raise the engine speed and at the same time make it harder to brake.Put a vacuum gauge on the booster between a check valve and the booster and step on the pedal periodically after running engine to build vacuum before each
attempt.The booster should drop vacuum but still have some left for a second attempt.

if not, and it bleeds down, it's bad. Note: On vehicles that have curb idle speed adjustment capability, An idle speed that is too high will cause vehicle to creep, have harsh engagements and harsh closed-throttle downshifts. On vehicles equipped with an Exhaust Gas Re-circulation (EGR) system, it is important to check the system for proper operation. The Manifold Absolute Pressure sensor, Mass Air Flow sensor, and Coolant Temperature sensor can cause intermittent high idle also. Try unplugging one at a time see if it makes a difference in the RPM's. I'm attaching repair guides below. Let us if you more assistance.

https://www.2carpros.com/articles/engine-idles-too-high

Thank you
Joe Terwilliger
May 5, 2021 at 12:25 PM (Merged)
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We need to start with checking for codes. The fact that you replaced the TPS is good but we could still have a wiring issue or control module issue. Basically if we have codes we can chase that down but if there are no codes then we will need a scan tool to see what the PCM is seeing as the TPS signal voltage. Engine off with a closed throttle, it should be around 1 volt. If the PCM is seeing something different then that points to the issue. At that point, we need to monitor the voltage on the 3 wires are the back of the sensor. You should have ground, 5 volt reference, and then 1 volt on the signal wire with the engine off and throttle closed.

Since the sensor is new, I suspect this is what you have. At that point, if the PCM is showing a different voltage for the TPS then we know either the wire is the issue or the PCM is faulty.

Lastly we need to check for a vacuum leak just to rule that out.

https://www.2carpros.com/articles/how-to-use-an-engine-vacuum-gauge

Let me know if you have questions and we can go from there. Thanks
May 5, 2021 at 12:25 PM (Merged)
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Truck starts fine and idles fine as well at start up. Engine rpm will suddenly increase to 2,300-2,500 rpm's without touching anything. When at that high rpm all i have to do is shift gears and it will literally drive itself from a stop up to about 55 mph. I reduce the speed and the second i push in on the clutch, it will jump to 2,500 rpm's and stay there until i put it in gear and the transmission brings the rpm down accordingly with the gear/speed. I have found no vacuum leaks, no check engine light has come on, i have replaced the IAC three times and even recently bought a Motorcraft IAC and put that in but it continues. Which steps should i take next? Do I need to reset the DCM, can I? Or re set the IAC? The idle screw is good. Set to about 900 rpm's. When it idles high, the throttle cables remain in the same place. So i have no earthly idea. Can someone please bestow some knowledge?
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Good afternoon,

The base idle screw needs to be set at 500 RPM's, not 900. Adjust it to that RPM and see if the idle comes down,. If it does not, pull the connector off the IAC and see if the idle drops to 500.

https://www.2carpros.com/articles/engine-idles-too-high

Roy
May 5, 2021 at 12:25 PM (Merged)
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SSD13
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302cid,auto trans 4x4-truck running 2500 idle,wouldnt kick down so i turded off. now wont start. have spark to plgs,fuel to injectors any help apprieciated-do not have tester for code and really cant afford one. will most likely go to junk yard for parts,the usual,low income
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Clean out the idle air control, throttle body/plate and also look for vacuum leak-start here and let me know-also refer to this walk thru link: https://www.2carpros.com/articles/engine-idles-too-high
May 5, 2021 at 12:25 PM (Merged)
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Use carb cleaner, small bore brushes and if available a vacuum gauge

5.0 Liter the IACV is located on the throttle body assembly see pic below

May 5, 2021 at 12:25 PM (Merged)
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SSD13
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Thanks rasmataz ILL give it a try in the morning.
One thing i forgot to add, when it was running sometimes it idled fine, then about a month ago the idle started jumping up and down and wouldnt kick-down manually. once shut off and started up again it was usually o.k. for awhile then out of no-where it'd start jumping up&down again.
thanks again
May 5, 2021 at 12:25 PM (Merged)
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CHGEVER
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Also i cant find the iac motor , i think its dirty because when i start the truck it idles high for a minute or so, i mean like 2 thousand or so . if you have any good advice i would be very thankful. thanks chuck!
May 5, 2021 at 12:26 PM (Merged)
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This guide should be able to help us fix it. https://www.2carpros.com/articles/engine-idles-too-high The IAC should be located within 12 inched of the TPS. Here are a couple pics 5.0L 302 Engine


https://www.2carpros.com/forum/automotive_pictures/188069_50294_1.jpg

5.8L 351 Engine


https://www.2carpros.com/forum/automotive_pictures/188069_58_1.jpg

May 5, 2021 at 12:26 PM (Merged)
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When truck is turned on it has a high idling until i quickly set it on drive, then it goes down to normal idling. When at a stop it also gets a high idling. Please help.
May 5, 2021 at 12:26 PM (Merged)
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JACOBANDNICKOLAS
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Welcome to 2CarPros.

First, have you checked to see if there are any vacuum leaks? Have you checked for diagnostic trouble codes that may point to the problem?

Let me know what engine you have.

Here are a couple links you may find helpful:

https://www.2carpros.com/articles/how-to-use-an-engine-vacuum-gauge

Here is a link that explains how to retrieve diagnostic trouble codes from the OBD1 system on this vehicle. All you need is a test light.

https://www.2carpros.com/articles/ford-lincoln-mercury-obd1-1995-and-earlier-diagnostic-trouble-code-definition-and-retrieval

Let me know what you find or if you have other questions.

Take care,
Joe
May 5, 2021 at 12:26 PM (Merged)
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BOBDFORD
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This has been an ongoing problems for years.

At Idle, the engine will sometimes Idle at the normal 500-800 rpm but the engine light comes on and stays on, (no code flashing). However! When the engine feels like it, the engine will sometimes start Idling high at 2,000 rpm at which point the engine light goes out and does not flash any codes.

Years ago, I took it to the ford shop and they said they replaced the intake gasket and that "seemingly" fixed the problem for about four to five months. Then it went back to the same issues as noted above.

I think it is very odd that no codes are thrown and the engine light acts as noted above.. And being a rather good shop mechanic, I have done everything I know, and replaced quite a few of the sensors, map, idle, oxygen, exhaust, etc.
Nothing improves it.

The one thing I have noticed is that many of the 1985 to 1993 Fords (302) right passenger side exhaust manifold has a factory (defect) crack that appears between the two middle exhaust ports and ford never recalled this defect. Thus I ponder if the exhaust oxygen sensor is causing the issues due to the leak in the exhaust manifold.

I know everyone yells vacuum leak (somewhere) but its hard to believe that with all the maintenance I have done (and a four month old new intake manifold replacement) that the vacuum leak is the issue. If that were the case, then it seems that there would be a continuous high Idle, not an intermittent high idle one week, low Idle the next week.

Any other thoughts or suggestions?
May 5, 2021 at 12:27 PM (Merged)
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Hello,

This sounds to me like you could have a vacuum leak. I would check the air intake duct, Vacuum lines, PCV and PCV lines, throttle body, intake manifold, and EVAP lines for any vacuum leaks. You would be surprised what a little air leaking can do to an engine. I have included a link below for you to go to.

https://www.2carpros.com/articles/how-to-use-an-engine-vacuum-gauge

and

https://www.2carpros.com/articles/engine-idles-too-high

Please go through this guide and get back to us with what you are able to find out.

Thanks,
Alex
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May 5, 2021 at 12:27 PM (Merged)
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BOBDFORD
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Thanks for the input and insights.

Even though it has its common colds and normal hiccups, I Love this 30 year old "Ford" truck as it hast failed me yet. Stuck in the 1970's and 1980's I guess.

As I stated previously, this has been ongoing for years (at least two decades) and In such I have went through this engine and done the carb-cleaner test in the accessible areas, meaning its hard to do the test in certain areas or around the back of the engine near the fire wall ... or without spraying other components.

Best of my failing knowledge and feeble mind, carb-cleaner and rubber hoses (maybe the nylon/plastic ones as well) ... some don't like carb-cleaner as it can/will melt and brittle certain types hoses; possibly causing more problems and vac leaks. Thus as I stated, I have avoided those "blind" hard to reach and other areas where the spray and/or over spray cant be controlled. In such, WD-40 was my alternative in addition to carb-cleaner in certain areas as it too will indicate a leak.

In saying that, the one thing I have never done is check the brake booster for vacuum leaks as that eluded me, but that is a good call. So that might be the culprit or a contributor at any level, and definitely something that should be looked at just from the maintenance end as its a vital component.

Being that its an older model, maybe I will replace some of the vac-lines just for the hell of it as I agree they look a bit old, rough and dirty (but intact). But who am I to claim I can see vacuum leaks. It just seems that vac-leaks would be consistent, not intermittent when it comes to the idle issue.

Since this is a project restore and not a desperation of an everyday commuter, I will climb back under the hood and play around some more when time allows.

But as for the other I posted, Ford seems to have avoided the "right side exhaust manifold casting crack" that appears after certain model/year trucks of this era as I have been under the hood of many, some just to prove my claim, and every one of them had the casting crack in the same area!
In such, there is an Exhaust Oxygen Sensor down below where the two sides of the exhaust union.
Though this would be a constant pressure side (exhaust) and very little O2 ever coming or leaking in to the exhaust and reaching the sensor, I cannot help but to factor that in to some "slightly off" reading sensor reading. Outside of that, any backfire or escaping heat from the hot gasses, seems to be of concern as it might cause a flash fire or undue increase in heat to that side of the engine, thus causing problems to electric and other over a long period of time. But that is just my ramblings of insights.

It is also my belief that this crack occurs due to casting and stress from the weight of the exhaust pipe and components, but due to the age of the trucks effected, that issue is mote and speculation now. Lets just agree that Its not something a 6 pack and JB Weld or Pipe Wrap will fix. LOL
Maybe a header swap would fix the old beater issue when and if you have the money for the fix.

Lastly, and for others with plastic line leaks per the link you posted; some of these lines seem to be glued or formed together to the rubber connector. In such you cant remove the connections to easily replace. While you can cut and splice the hose my alternative is the "Liquid (rubberized) Electrical Rubber" (Star Brite Liquid Electrical Tape) and/or as well as electrical shrink tubing that can be used to cover/seal any small crack as to seal it up or after splicing as to ensure a better long term seal.
Still I recommend an entire replacement of the hose as this (and splicing) is only a short term fix and is not very pretty.

Thanks again for the Insights.

I will double check the brake booster.
May 5, 2021 at 12:27 PM (Merged)
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I have seen the engine coolant sensor cause this problem. here is a guide to help walk you through the repair with diagrams below to show you how on your car:

https://www.2carpros.com/articles/coolant-temperature-sensor-cts-replacement

Check out the diagrams (below). Please let us know what happens.


May 5, 2021 at 12:27 PM (Merged)
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My truck idle will go high then shuts off.
May 5, 2021 at 12:27 PM (Merged)
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Hi,

What you described could be a few things. If the vehicle is being starved for fuel, it will lean the mixture and increase the RPM's then stall. If you haven't already, check to see if that is within spec. Here are the directions:

1982 Ford Truck F 150 2WD Pickup V8-302 5.0L
Fuel Pressure Test
Vehicle Power-train Management Fuel Delivery and Air Induction Fuel Pump Fuel Pressure Testing and Inspection Component Tests and General Diagnostics Fuel Pressure Test
FUEL PRESSURE TEST
PRESSURE TEST
1. Connect a suitable pressure gauge (0-15 PSI) to the carburetor end of the fuel line.

WARNING: Use care to prevent combustion of spilled fuel.

2. Start the engine (it should be able to run for over 30 seconds on the fuel in the carburetor bowl) and read the pressure after 10 seconds. If pump pressure is too low or too high install a new fuel pump.

Fuel Pump Pressure .................... 6.0-8.0 PSI

3. Reconnect fuel line at filter and install air cleaner.

______________________________________

If that isn't an issue, then check to see if you have any engine vacuum leaks. Here is a link showing how that is done:

https://www.2carpros.com/articles/how-to-check-fuel-system-pressure-and-regulator

Let me know what you find.

Take care,
Joe
May 5, 2021 at 12:27 PM (Merged)