Excessive brake pedal travel

2002 HONDA ACCORD
131,500 MILES
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RONRIVERA
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Pads, Rotors & Master Cylinder replaced by my local mechanic but excessive brake pedal travel remains a problem. I brought it to the Honda dealer and they flushed the brake fluid system and bled the lines but that did not resolve the issue, Is there anything else that can be causing such a long brake?
The car is 2002 Accord Coupe EX-V6
Oct 4, 2012 at 6:16 PM
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Do you have rear drum brakes?
Oct 4, 2012 at 6:19 PM
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RONRIVERA
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Raybestos Advanced Technology Pads & Rotors on all 4 wheels
Oct 4, 2012 at 6:22 PM
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Were the calipers checked for binding? Seized caliper slider bolts would often result in low brake pedal and so would a failing master cylinder.
Is the ABS system working correctly?
Oct 4, 2012 at 6:29 PM
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I have seen bad brake booster check valves cause low brake pedals.
Oct 4, 2012 at 6:30 PM
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RONRIVERA
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Its going back to the dealer tomorrow morning. The Master Cylinder is new but I don't believe the calipers were checked nor was the ABS system. I had to brake hard today for a deer crossing in front of me and it felt like the ABS never kicked in as my foot practically went to the floor.
Oct 4, 2012 at 6:42 PM
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Is your abs light always on while your driving?
Oct 4, 2012 at 6:47 PM
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ABS light is not lit at all
Oct 4, 2012 at 7:15 PM
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Then the abs should be working if the light is out and you have abs on your car.
Oct 4, 2012 at 7:28 PM
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It has the ABS system. Was reading elsewhere that it may be caused by a leaking wheel bearing also but I have no signs of any leaks and the Master Cyl is full.
Oct 4, 2012 at 7:31 PM
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Also a sticking caliper pin internal leaking etc.
Oct 4, 2012 at 8:44 PM
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Thanks for all your help....Will post the results if the dealer can locate the problem. It just seemed odd to me that after changing rotors and pads all around that the car would develop a stopping problem. This was just preventive maintenance and the car didn't actually need pads or rotors at this time. The car actually stopped better before.
Oct 4, 2012 at 9:19 PM
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I have seen some of the aftermarket brake pads cause extra brake pedal travel.Do you have the old brake pads?
Oct 4, 2012 at 9:24 PM
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No, I had no reason to keep the old pads and I assume my tech threw them out by now....That's an odd one but I did have Raybestos on the front, replaced at about 70,000 miles without a problem and the rear's were a no name brand thrown on by a shop I really didn't care for.
Oct 4, 2012 at 11:48 PM
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Were the old pads worn evenly or sloped?
Oct 5, 2012 at 12:07 AM
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I think evenly but the front rotors were definitely warped.
Oct 5, 2012 at 12:09 AM
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What you need to do now is to check if the slider bolts are seized. Quite often when there are insufficient lubricants on them, they tend to stck when new pads are installed. One more thing to check would be the handbrake cables.

I have seen many cases of wrong adjustment whereby the rear brakes would not self adjust and this would also result in low brake pedal.
Oct 5, 2012 at 12:55 AM
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If they live where they salt the roads then the ebrake cables seize caliper pins etc.
Oct 5, 2012 at 4:05 AM
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OK...Thanks for all the replies guys! I just returned from my local Honda dealer. Their recommendation afer bleeding the brake lines was for me to go back to my local mechanic that installed a new Master Cyl or let them, the dealer, install a "Honda" Master Cylinder. My local mechanis installed a brand new "Wagner" Master Cylinder last week after receiving a bad one from the warehouse initially.
At this point, I think I need a local pro to REALLY check things out!
Oct 5, 2012 at 2:46 PM
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New parts failing are not news and that is a logical explanation and since they have inspected the problem, we believe the diagnosis should be correct.
Oct 5, 2012 at 2:58 PM
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I would go with the dealers diagnosis.
Oct 5, 2012 at 5:17 PM
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That seems to be the theory from 2 other local mechanics as well. Nothing but the OEM Master Cylinder works correctly.
Oct 5, 2012 at 7:10 PM
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Coming from the dealer they should know what needs to be oem.Sometimes only oem parts work.
Oct 5, 2012 at 8:27 PM
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So the dealer was wrong....A Honda OEM master cylinder made little difference in the feel of the brake pedal. I replaced the rubber brake lines which helped a little and had the brakes bled 4 times. The latest local diagnosis says I should use Centric OE brake pads up front and that may alleviate the problem. Really? The new ones that went in less than 500 miles ago were Raybestos Quiet Stop....Is a different manufacturers pad really going to make any difference?
Oct 26, 2012 at 7:59 PM
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Brake pad quality would affect the braking performance but not the low brake pedal. If it is llow pedal travle that is causing the problem, I would again suggest checking the brake caliper slider bolts and caliper pistons for seizure.

The front brakes would be more likely to cause poor braking efficiency.



Oct 27, 2012 at 5:09 PM
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You could also take it somewhere that has the gauge to test caliper clamp force and fluid Pressure to the calipers etc.
Oct 27, 2012 at 5:53 PM