Why is my carburetor not getting any fuel?

1973 CHEVROLET MONTE CARLO
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MARCELLJ
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I have 73 monte carlo with a 350 engine and 4 barrel carb. The engine suddenly stopped running while driving on the freeway. The engine just stopped running(it didn't overheat or nothing).

I'm getting spark.

The manual choke 4 barrel is not getting any fuel though. I've done the following related to fuel:
1. Pulled the choke- no fuel
2. Pulled the fuel line connected to carb, bumped the engine, still no fuel. Replaced the fuel filter.
3. Bought a new fuel pump and installed it. Tried to start, but it still didn't start.
4. Sprayed carb cleaner- still won't start.
5. Removed the fuel line connected to the fuel pump, bumped the engine, and fuel came out of the fuel pump.
6. I disconnected the fuel line(carb to fuel pump), blew it out, reconnected it, and it still won't start.

The battery is brand new. I beginning to think the fuel tank("sock") is plugged.

The car has about a 1/4 tank of gas in it as well.
Jan 16, 2012 at 6:56 PM
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SATURNTECH9
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It sounds like the sock on the fuel pick up could be clogged or you have a fuel line that has a small crack allowing air to get inside. Use compressed air to blow the sock off and replace the lines you should be fine.
Jan 16, 2012 at 7:02 PM
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Where is the "fuel line going to the fuel pick up". Please explain.
Jan 16, 2012 at 7:04 PM
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That would be the that feeds the fuel pump.
Jan 16, 2012 at 7:07 PM
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3. Bought a new fuel pump and installed it. Tried to start, but it still didn't start.
4. Sprayed carb cleaner- still won't start

Are you getting spark if so the engine should combust for a few secs till it rans out-
Jan 16, 2012 at 7:16 PM
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So fuel comes out of the nipple on the fuel pump that goes up to the carb?But if the hose is connected to the fuel pump that goes to the carb the end of the hose that goes onto the carb doesnt get any fuel while cranking?
Jan 16, 2012 at 7:23 PM
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if your spraying it and its got good spark and doesnt start.you will need to check the engine timing.
Jan 16, 2012 at 7:25 PM
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I didn't mean to flag the second response(I'm sorry).

So the fuel line going to the fuel pick up would be the rubber hose line connected to the fuel pump? If that's the one you're referencing,I haven't disconnected and checked that one.
But the metal line connected to the fuel pump and goes the carburetor has been removed, blown out, and reconnected.

Yes it's getting spark, when I sprayed the carb cleaner the engine did combust a few seconds, then it just continued to turn(because I held the ignition in the start position).

Jan 16, 2012 at 7:26 PM
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My sister had a 1972 chevelle with a 350 engine it died suddenly and wouldnt restart.Found out the timming chain sprocket had worn a way enough to jump cam timming so it would not start at all.So lets get this fuel issue figured out if its getting gas or not?Also a bad sign that it did start on carb spray and you said it had spark?
Jan 16, 2012 at 7:28 PM
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I flagged a question again I'm sorry.

When I disconnected the the fuel line on the carb, and bumped the engine, there was no fuel. I reconnected it.

Then I disconnected the fuel line on the fuel pump, and bumped the engine, still there was no sign of fuel.

Jan 16, 2012 at 7:31 PM
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No it didn't start on carb spray either. It made a sound like it wanted to but didn't.
Jan 16, 2012 at 7:35 PM
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I'm at work right now, and discussing my car issue with you guys.

I don't mean to flag your responses. I'm just multi-tasking right now.
Jan 16, 2012 at 7:39 PM
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It sounds like the supply line to the fuel pump isnt supplying fuel to the fuel pump or most likely the cam shaft isnt moving to make the fuel pump pump.That would also explain it not starting on carb spray.
Jan 16, 2012 at 7:41 PM
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Do a compression test on the engine to rule out the cam not moving.
Jan 16, 2012 at 7:44 PM
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Sat9 you up to something keep it going-maybe the camshaft or the FP push rod
Jan 16, 2012 at 7:51 PM
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MARCELLJ
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I got you. Is there possibly another fuel filter(besides the one in the carb)on my car?
Jan 16, 2012 at 7:58 PM
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Recheck the fuel pump if its installed correctly
Jan 16, 2012 at 8:11 PM
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On that car there is sock on the fuel pick up and a inlet fuel fuel filter screwed into the carb.Unless someone add one somewhere then i cant really think of any other one to check.Sounds like a cam issue though the fuel isnt pumping and it wont start on carb spray even.Check to see if the fuel supply line to the carb is plugged.But even if that was the case it would explain the engine not starting on carb spray with good spark.Auto zone rents compression testers for free with deposit.Its a quick test and will tell you if there is a issue with compression and possibly the cam not moving the fuel pump to pump fuel.
Jan 16, 2012 at 8:12 PM
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If that fuel pump rod had fallen down when installing i dont think the fuel pump would have mounted up.
Jan 16, 2012 at 8:14 PM
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Who knows maybe the PR is not there-lol well maybe the camshaft broke into half or the lobe the drives the rod is way beyound repair-
Jan 16, 2012 at 8:23 PM
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I would start with the compression test to rule that out.
Jan 16, 2012 at 8:27 PM
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Remove the distributor cap and have helper crank engine over is the rotor turning?
Jan 16, 2012 at 8:32 PM
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Thats a great way to see if the cam is turning just wont tell you if the cam is out of time.
Jan 16, 2012 at 8:37 PM
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I know maybe the timing chain jumped-out of the blue-Do the compression test and report back your readings
Jan 16, 2012 at 8:46 PM
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Thats a good idea i was just thinking they said they had spark so that would mean the rotor is turning.
Jan 16, 2012 at 8:51 PM
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Maybe went to work-no response from user, but we wait and see on the compression check
Jan 16, 2012 at 9:17 PM
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MARCELLJ
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I'll try all the actions you advised when I get home today.
Jan 16, 2012 at 9:35 PM
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Also make sure that fuel pick up sock isnt clogged.Keep us posted on what you find.
Jan 16, 2012 at 9:40 PM
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if you spray it and you have good spark.youll need to check the engine timing of the motor.
Jan 16, 2012 at 9:53 PM
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Thanks for all your help guys. I hope it's the fuel tank sock. I just bought the car two weeks ago, and from the outside everything looked good.
Jan 16, 2012 at 10:22 PM
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if your sparying it and it wont start.that has nothing to do with the sock.remove the valve cover and check to see if the valve train is oper. properly.
Jan 16, 2012 at 11:20 PM
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I did the following when I got home yesterday:

1. Lifted the distributor cap to look at the rotor, while bumping the engine. The rotor does turn. So I tightened the distributor back down.

2. Reviewed my fuel pump installation. Previous owner put a fuel filter between the fuel pump inlet line(from the tank) to the fuel pump. I disconnected the inlet fuel filter, and blew
through it.

I bumped the engine while the inlet filter was off. No fuel came through the inlet line itself.

Reconnected the the inlet filter(it wasn't clogged)and inlet line to the fuel pump, bumped the engine, it turned but didn't start.

I took the fuel pump off, returned it to autozone, and got a replacement fuel pump.I did notice when I took the fuel pump off(the one I returned to autozone) there was little fuel dripping from it. I assumed some fuel is getting to the fuel pump, but not enough to start the motor.


Got the replacement fuel pump home, installed it correctly, bumped the motor, and it turned, but it didn't start.

Lastly, I took one plug wire of the distributor cap,bumped the motor, and there was a strong spark.

After seeing the spark I stopped working, and went inside.

As the rotor did turn, I assumed the cam is turning, and thus the fuel pump push rod is pushing fuel through the pump. I further assume the fuel pump isn't receiving enough fuel to turn the engine.

Are my assumptions correct?

I'm believing the sock(strainer) is plugging the tank. What do you guys think?

What would you do next?

All your assistance is greatly appreciated. I thank you.
Jan 17, 2012 at 5:09 PM
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Try blowing compressed air thru the fuel lines and retry-don't work drop the fuel tank and investigate-
Jan 17, 2012 at 5:20 PM
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MARCELLJ
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I understand.

I don't own an air compressor though. Could I take the gas cap off, and try blowing through from there(gas station pump insert).

Jan 17, 2012 at 5:34 PM
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You have to blow thru the fuel inlet like i have been telling you we have to make sure the sock isnt clogged.Also the distributor may be turning but we still dont know if the cam jumped time.
Jan 17, 2012 at 5:58 PM
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does it start if u put fuel in the intake!
Jan 17, 2012 at 6:22 PM
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Ok I'll try to blow air through the fuel inlet line when I get home.

No, it didn't start when I sprayed carb cleaner and bumped the...

I'll try again.
Jan 17, 2012 at 6:54 PM
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Guys imagine this:

When a ignition distributor becomes loose(out of timing), one can crank their engine, but it won't start.That is, until the distributor gets set in the right place.

Further if one's distributor some how becomes out of timing, and the person trouble shoots their fuel first, could they possible find the same symptoms that I have personally described to you(e.g. no fuel to the carb, or fuel pump etc.)?

I'm haven't noticed my ignition distributor being loose, but I'm wondering if it is. I'll see when I get home.

I'm an individual that can do bolt-on replacement part, change plugs/wires, oil, and other light duty things to a motor. I do not know the ins and outs of how the internal parts work to help an engine run.

With that being said can anyone possibly explain how to set distributor timing, without a time light(to a dummy lol)?

I'm not sure if my distributor is loose, but when I get home I'll check. And if it is, the above info request will help me alot.

Best regards,
Marcell
Jan 17, 2012 at 8:20 PM
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If your distributor is loose and moved out of time that wont keep the fuel pump from pumping fuel.So check that and see what you find but we still have to solve the problem of no fuel pumping up to the carb.Also dont put raw fuel into carb to try to start it thats so dangerous the engine could pop and shoot a fire ball out of the carb.Just use some carb spray.
Jan 17, 2012 at 8:35 PM
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MARCELLJ
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OK
Jan 17, 2012 at 8:53 PM
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Hey I just brought a 1985 monte Carlo it wil crack but will not start. I can get it to start by pouring gas into the carburetor but it will only stay started for a few seconds then dies. I need a little help please anyone...
Apr 5, 2012 at 4:57 AM